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Norway Threatened by WWII-Era Submarine
AP via SFGate ^ | 12/20/6 | DOUG MELLGREN

Posted on 12/20/2006 12:49:16 PM PST by SmithL

OSLO -- More than 60 years after being torpedoed by the British navy, a Nazi submarine built to threaten allied ships continues to spread fear off the coast of Norway.

The rusting wreckage of the U-864, sunk in a desperate mission to supply Japan with advanced weapons technology, now poses a major environmental threat due to its poisonous cargo: 70 tons of mercury.

Residents on the tiny island of Fedje, located in the North Sea on roughly the same latitude as Scotland's Shetland Islands, want the sub removed. But authorities fear a salvage operation could result in a catastrophic spill, and suggest entombing the wreck in the seabed with rocks, cement and sand.

"Local people are very concerned," Fedje's Mayor Erling Walderhaug told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "They wanted it taken away so the danger would be gone for good."

The U-864 tried to skirt allied navy patrols on a last-ditch secret mission code-named "Caesar," to bring jet engine parts, missile guidance systems and mercury for weapons production to Germany's ally, Japan. British experts discovered the mission by breaking a German code.

In a rare underwater duel, the British submarine HMS Venturer stalked the U-864 for three hours before it finally sank it on Feb. 9, 1945, about 2 1/2 miles off Fedje.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mercury; norway; uboat
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1 posted on 12/20/2006 12:49:17 PM PST by SmithL
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..

One Ping Only


2 posted on 12/20/2006 12:50:09 PM PST by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: SmithL

put her up on eBay
"non-drivable, parts only"


3 posted on 12/20/2006 12:52:41 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: SmithL

That's a lot of Mercury.


4 posted on 12/20/2006 12:53:10 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: SmithL

5 posted on 12/20/2006 12:54:43 PM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: SmithL

How deep? 70 tons of mercury is worth a whole lotta $$.


6 posted on 12/20/2006 12:54:58 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: SmithL

I don't think mercury is water soluable & is heavier than water, so we're talking a few molecules getting pushed around by massive amounts of water, right? I'm sure there are or have been fish with higher than usual levels of mercury in their fatty tissue in the area, but other than that, can't see what the big fuss is about.


7 posted on 12/20/2006 12:55:24 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly

Its pretty deadly once it gets loose as they found out
in Japan; see the pics of the births from the early
60's...

A mission for the Glomar Explorer..


8 posted on 12/20/2006 1:02:18 PM PST by rahbert
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To: July 4th

Monday's Metal Prices
By The Associated Press
11:00 AM PDT, July 31, 2006

Mercury - $583.00 per 76 lb flask, N.Y.
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70 tons/140,000 lbs = 1842 76 lb flasks x $583 = $1,073,886

It sure won't be cleaned up for the rights to the mercury....


9 posted on 12/20/2006 1:08:20 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: rahbert
A mission for the Glomar Explorer

Interesting that you should mention that ship.

I googled it, since the name was familiar, but I couldn't quite recall what it was.

On this (http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/jennifer.htm) page on the web was the following:

"The mission of Glomar Explorer was to raise a Soviet nuclear submarine that had sunk in the Pacific"...

..." Glomar Explorer went to sea on June 20, 1974, found the sub, and began to bring a portion of it to the surface."...

..." The Los Angeles Times broke the story in February 1975, and by March 1975 numerous news stories linked the Hughes Glomar Explorer, a ship publicly listed as a research vessel owned and operated by Summa Corporation, and the secret US government operation. After subsequent stories that the CIA had approached the news media to convince them to discontinue publication of stories related to the Glomar Explorer, Harriet Ann Phillippi, a journalist, filed a FOIA request with the CIA for any records that might exist which reveal the CIA’s contact with members of the media to attempt to persuade them not to publish articles concerning the activities of the Glomar Explorer. The CIA responded by refusing to neither confirm nor deny the existence of any responsive records. The CIA claimed that any records that might exist which may reveal any CIA connection with or interest in the activities of the Glomar Explorer, or any evidence that might reveal the existence of records of this type would be classified, and therefore, exempt from disclosure under exemption 1 of the FOIA. They also insisted that exemption 3 applied, as the National Security Act of 1947 precluded them from releasing information related to the functions of CIA personnel. This was the first instance of an agency using the "can neither confirm nor deny" answer in response to a FOIA request. Since then, the terms "Glomar response," and "Glomarization" are used to describe an agency’s response when they can neither confirm nor deny whether records exist. ."

I guess you can file that under "the more things change, the more they stay the same" vis-a-vis the media and national security.
10 posted on 12/20/2006 1:12:54 PM PST by CertainInalienableRights
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To: GoLightly
... a few molecules...

70 tons? I guess that's at least 3 molecules.

11 posted on 12/20/2006 1:14:05 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (The only thing standing between us and complete victory over the evildoers is POLITICS!)
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To: SmithL
This is a job for Nowegian glass blowers!

Build this long glass tube which will be attached to the mercury containers. This northern thermometer will record the global warming and siphon all the mercury off the sub as the temp rises to new heights!

A special tax on Alblore's movie royalties will be used to fund this project.

12 posted on 12/20/2006 1:15:30 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: July 4th; FreeInWV
I watched a show on divers pulling up stuff from a Spanish galleon. They thought they were being clever by
spooning mercury into a scuba tank (72 or 80?) that had the valve removed.

I don't remember what the actual, uncompressed volume of a tank is, but the weight of the salvaged mercury was
more than the winch could handle.

That had to split up the haul.

13 posted on 12/20/2006 1:16:01 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I recall reading the story of the divers who discovered the U-boat off the coast of NJ. For a brief period of time, they thought they had discovered this mercury-carrying sub. At first they thought they'd be rich, till they realized how dangerous the material was.


14 posted on 12/20/2006 1:18:55 PM PST by linear (2009: Hillary wears her favorite veil to receive annual "Profiles in Courage" award.)
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To: CertainInalienableRights

Democratic operatives broke into the G/E offices and made off with secret files. This was shortly before Republican operatives broke into democratic headquarters ...


15 posted on 12/20/2006 1:20:29 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Calvin Locke

Interesting. I remember in my high school physics class, my teacher had a 5 gallon jar that was about half-full of mercury. He'd float large blocks of metal in it just to show the principles of density. (And this was in the mid-1990s...not too long ago.)


16 posted on 12/20/2006 1:29:05 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: linear
...till they realized how dangerous the material was...

Mercury is indeed poisonous, but it is not so bad as the alarmists and lawyers make of it. It generally pools together and lends itself mightily to being picked up. I've handled it a great deal, and I'm still very much intact. One does need to be cautious of the vapors. A mask takes care of that. In cold water, there would be very little danger from the stuff. Alarmists. We could do quite well without all of the fear mongering. I put this in the same category as the danger level schools assign to one inch long GI Joe weapons.

17 posted on 12/20/2006 1:33:45 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

I should have said, "until they realized the cost of treating it as a hazardous material."

Either way, it is interesting that they have found this submarine.


18 posted on 12/20/2006 1:45:18 PM PST by linear (2009: Hillary wears her favorite veil to receive annual "Profiles in Courage" award.)
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To: GingisK

Wouldn't this mercury just sink into the ocean floor?

When I was in high-school chemistry, there was a pint jar about half full of mercury in the supply closet. We used to hold little globs of it in our hands, and that was nearly 40 years ago, so I guess it's not all that deadly unless ingested. The cool part was to drop one of these globs and watch it splatter into zillions of tiny balls.


19 posted on 12/20/2006 1:45:23 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: SmithL

"In a rare underwater duel, the British submarine HMS Venturer stalked the U-864 for three hours before it finally sank it on Feb. 9, 1945, about 2 1/2 miles off Fedje."

There's the answer! The Norwegians can sue the Brits for damages. Deep pockets and all that.


20 posted on 12/20/2006 1:47:44 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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