Posted on 12/19/2006 10:28:56 AM PST by Moose4
COLUMBUS, Ohio - It was the sort of commonplace misbehavior that raises blood pressure across the nation's roads: kids, out after midnight, egging cars along a busy thoroughfare.
This time, though, the mischief turned deadly. The driver of a targeted gray Jeep barreled after the boys and someone inside pulled a gun, firing multiple shots that killed 14-year-old Danny Crawford.
Police are still seeking the gunman more than two weeks after Crawford's death. They have interviewed the Jeep's owner but aren't saying if that person is a suspect.
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Which can ruin a car's paint job.
If the driver chased the kids, he acted in concert with the shooter and is as guilty as the shooter. They should just throw his sorry butt in jail and keep him there until he makes a deal.
PS. Egging cars is stupid. Real stupid.
PPS. I speak from experience on this one!
"My old mentor at Harding, Chancellor Merrymount, would have said the same. "
Your mentor is an idiot. Deadly force in response to vandalism is excessive, and not fitting of civilization. It is that type of attitude that will have guns taken from those of us who respect them.
Were you the egger or the eggee? :-)
True... but a nice public flogging would certainly be fitting.
Oscar Mayer bologna strips paint to the metal, way worse than egg or bird poop.
Any punk throws anything at my truck while I am driving, I will assume that he is trying to kill me and respond accordingly.
An egg-size rock through the windshield at highway speed is a deadly weapon.
A little excessiveness is needed for punks and I feel sorry for you not to see it to. Calling my Mentor an Idiot is same as calling Me one - didnt you Know???
"True... but a nice public flogging would certainly be fitting."
Ok, now we're in a range where punishment fits the crime. I'm all for that. And if it were my son doing the egging, I'd still be in favor of public flogging!
Never bring an egg to a gunfight
Trolling for two months. Not too shabby.
It's a crime against property to hit a vehicle with something that could cause upwards of thousands of dollars worth of damage. I have NO pity for the 'victim' here.
It is that type of attitude that will have guns taken from those of us who respect them.
Good luck when they try to take the guns. If people are willing to shoot against someone 'just' egging a car, they will certainly be willing to shoot people trying to take them.
And that's definitely more important than a human life.
Absolutely. It's no yolking matter.
Perhaps if the media would stop referring to such activities as "pranks", parents and teens would regard them as the serious crimes they are and they would happen less often.
Better the kid doing the crime gets killed, than some innocent driver or passenger in the egged vehicle or someone in a another vehicle or a pedestrian that an out-of-control egged car hits. Not that I'm endorsing the specific response that the occupant(s) of this vehicle took -- somehow I doubt they "knew their backstop" when they fired on the kids at night in a fit of anger, and they were as likely to cause an unintended death as the car-egging teens were.
From the article: ""We're just wondering why it happened to him and why would somebody even think to do that?" Hannah Pulse, 13, a friend, said of Crawford's slaying." Hannah ought to be rephrasing her question to "We're just wondering why would Danny even think to do that?"
"Calling my Mentor an Idiot is same as calling Me one - didnt you Know???"
Actually, technically it's not. But sorry for you not to see it. You may take it any way you care to, I can't control it.
It's a barbaric attitude that creates more problems than it solves. That type of problem solving skill is why the Neandertal is no longer around.
This was all hashed, and re-hashed, on the original thread when the news story broke. My opinion still hasn't changed.
Yes, but both the driver and shooter should be sharing a cell with the surviving teenagers who participated in the egg-throwing.
"Cars give people a sense of anonymous power that helps explain such confrontations,"
He should have mentioned the key board commandos that give what they think is the tough guy reaction to stories like this.
Flogging would be a nice start. Charging them with attempted manslaughter would be pretty sweet, too.
Heh... My dad used to tell me when I was much younger that if I ever got in trouble with the police, that I better pray I stay in jail, as anything he would do to me would be far worse than anything any legal authority could impose.
COOL!! I'll have to try that!
Ha ha ha. How true. Can't justify killing the boy over throwing eggs, but they won't let people cane them. Aw, skip it.
"I have NO pity for the 'victim' here."
And we differ on this to a point where there is no middle ground.
Most who own guns would not shoot at authorities. It is the lunatic fringe that would shoot to keep their weapons. Their exctinction would shortly follow their attempt to hold onto their weapons in the face of a superior force.
...of course we know the shooter was an upstanding citizen and also had a permit to carry. (sarcasm)
Hey, what gives, why was your post removed?
I know you're not a troll, no personal attacks?
What the heck is up with that?
I remember hearing that rumor when I was a kid. People used to talk all the time about doing it on Halloween night, because for it to be really effective, it had to be "frosted on" to the paint. When the cars owner tries to peel it off the next morning, the paint comes right off with the bologna.
I'm not sure as to the validity of this, though.
"an eye for an eye", said the unborn omelette's parents
I have zero sympathy for the egg-throwers, but a reckless response from a driver or occupant of a targeted car is equally irresponsible. Unfortunately, law enforcement rarely deals with this sort of "prank" as a serious crime unless the action causes an accident resulting in death or catastrophic injury. Attempting to cause an accident that could reasonably be expected to result in death or catastrophic injury should be taken just as seriously.
The responsible reaction from the driver and occupants would have been stop the car, run after and catch one or more of the kids, and use the gun only as a means to get them to keep still until police arrived to arrest them. Perhaps if the driver and occupants didn't have a reasonable fear that such a response would result in their own arrest and prosecution, rather than that of the guilty teenagers, they would have chosen that option.
That's immaterial. There is no way to know if those were eggs in their hands or large rocks which can kill as you are driving towards them at road speeds.
A voice of reason on this thread.
Anyone thinking otherwise needs a reality check.
If your mentor said the correct response to being egged is to shoot and kill the miscreant then he is an idiot. If you agree then you have put yourself in the same category.
I have had my car egged at 60mph and was not happy. My brother was walking along a road and got hit my an egg right in the middle of the chest and had a massive bruise for weeks.
I know the damage an egg moving at seped can do to a person and the car paint.
But the law rightly considers that killing the vandal is murder probably 2nd degree.
It is a matter of degree of misbehavior and the correct response is not to kill every vandal. That is for legitimate self defense and home invasion.
If a homeowner kills some kids who egg his house then he is brought up on murder charges.
If people start to agree with your viewpoint that the proper response is to kill a vandal then the current direction not to prosecute self defense cases will reverse and we will be like the UK where self defense is a chargable offense.
Damned if I know.
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12:30AM and I'm betting there may have been alcohol involved. Not really a mitigating factor in my book as far as guilt/innocence is concerned, but offered in way of a possibility. If they catch the shooter, try him for manslaughter but take the kids provocation and initial assault into account during sentencing.
It's only known to be attempted vandalism after the fact. At the time, was there any way to tell if those large objects they were throwing were eggs or egg-sized stones (which can kill)?
"Shooting an egg thrower who is fleeing is not correctly interpreting the second amendment.
I know that FR can be a tough crowd and I expect to be flamed but it won't change my mind"
Not so tough, in real life when a guy is so unbalanced as to claim the views you will see on this thread, then you can inquire into his life to date.
When a guy is as tough, and mean, and violent as these "keyboard commandos" their history would prove it with arrests, knife fights, involvement in shootings, and truly bloody fistfights etc.
When a 30 or 40 year old guy talks the talk, with no history of walking the walk, then you know your are talking to a fantasy boy.
My post #30 is in response to your #13 being deleted.
One Question...was it a hate crime.
That's all that matters anymore anyway...
What difference does it make? Eggs can kill too. Suddenly startling a driver while simultaneously obstructing his/her vision by covering the windshield with egg can easily result in a fatal accident. These kids are trying to cause accidents, and should be prosecuted and sentenced ruthlessly.
This "prank" can get you 1-5yr in Virginia:
SHOOT OR THROW MISSILE AT TRAIN, CAR, VESSEL W/O MALICE VAN2940F6 18.2-154 1Y-5Y
http://www.vcsc.state.va.us/Codes_Alph.cfm?ID=v
Snowballing cars on the Mass Turn Pike ain't so bright either. Not that I know this from personal experience
I agree. But I'd still like to see the shooter in this case up on second-degree murder charges, or at the very least voluntary manslaughter.
There's more than enough stupid in that story for everybody.
}:-)4
Only if you know that it's an egg. If you think it might be a large rock (which is deadly if thrown at you at highway speeds) then deadly force is a legitimate defense.
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