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Did moral issue take a thrashing in the November elections?
TFP ^ | 12.15.06 | John Horvat II

Posted on 12/15/2006 2:22:25 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Cold Heat
There is not a single citation of fact in your 863 word post. Do you have any actual, verifiable, citable FACTS to back up your assertions?
21 posted on 12/18/2006 8:38:17 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Concerned
You will also notice that in post 17, Cold Heat said this:

They have caused the RNC to put up social conservatives in areas that will not vote for them,

I just about died laughing.

22 posted on 12/18/2006 8:46:07 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I'm so glad that i could amuse you.

Perhaps you can console Santorum, and the various other solid conservatives who were blown out in previously supportive districts.

You either recognize this reality for what it is, or take your denials to the loser club and opine how how you just were not conservative enough.

That's what gets me laughing.....Har, har, har!

You will have another chance to read the tea leaves correctly in less than two years.

My guess is that you won't see it again. But that's OK now. I don't care anymore and have turned a corner. I know precisely what to do and have given you a heads up. You can take my word for it now, or you can take the word of the voters in '08.

Personally, I prefer to be prepared, but I may be last Boy Scout left who has not already deserted the party for the relative safety of the Independent party.

The future of the republican party depends on folks like you. You can either leave, or be much more prepared to negotiate compromises. If you don't do one or the other, the party will remain a poor representation of a minority entity with no chance of success.

My guess is that with no power to enact your agenda, there will be a mass defection when it becomes more clear to you. At that time, we will collect all the broken china and start the rebuilding process. Something I have already participated in before, in the 70s.

I never have liked doing the same job twice, but that's the way it will be. You could have prevented it, and you could make it much easier, but I see no sign that you will.

And so it.....goes......

23 posted on 12/18/2006 9:57:43 AM PST by Cold Heat ("Ward!.........Go easy on the beaver"!)
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To: Cold Heat
No facts, eh?

Now that makes for a really compelling case.

24 posted on 12/18/2006 10:26:54 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Cold Heat
Perhaps you can console Santorum, and the various other solid conservatives who were blown out in previously supportive districts.

Santorum, who ran unopposed in the primary? Santorum, who was part of the RNC support team that kept a rock-ribbed social conservative like Specter over a RINO like Toomey? (Oh wait, I've got that reversed...) Are you going to tell me the Vast RNC Social Conservative Conspiracy prevented anyone from running against Santorum in the primaries? If so, will you cite evidence to support your claim?

You claim you have predicted the 2006 election, but you're only half right. Your prediction of defeat came true, but your concept of the reasons for the defeat was not only wrong, but has been comnpletely disproven with empirical data, just like the 2004 results. It's sort of like a person in 1942 predicting that Germany would lose the war, but saying the reason they would lose was because the German Army had inferior soldiers. Same result, clueless reasoning.

I haven't seen you cite a verifiable fact yet, even though you're discussing the attitudes of the most surveyed and studied electorate in the history of the world. Now that makes for a really compelling case!

25 posted on 12/18/2006 10:41:59 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Ya know....some people on this forum have been telling me the same thing for years...Where's the cites, blah, blah.

How about this....I'm quoting myself.....

Har, har, har!

I don't need to quote some moron pundit who gets paid for a opinion to verify my own. It is what it is, and from responses I get in private, I am hitting the right buttons.

Most people don't know how or why they feel as they do. The research into this is always flawed. People take the opinion that most likely represents what they want to project. The truth is usually just underneath the veneer. Almost all people lie to pollsters. Some intentionally, many just don't understand their feelings and biases.

One thing for sure, the general electorate won't be electing conservatives back to a majority for some time to come. At least until the tarnished reputation has been repaired and this will take some time and effort. It might be necessary for the party to distance it's self from the Conservative handle.( I'm now ashamed to say) Because the party did some sorry things in my name.

Yes, Silverback, it really is that bad. I think I'm all done ranting. You have not changed a whit over the years, and I would not expect you to. You don't need to believe a word of it. In fact, I hope you don't.

It's better that way.

26 posted on 12/18/2006 6:08:50 PM PST by Cold Heat ("Ward!.........Go easy on the beaver"!)
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To: Cold Heat
Please note that I never cited a pundit. The articles I cited contained empirical data from scientific sources.

How about this....I'm quoting myself...I don't need to quote some moron pundit

Oh, but it seems you are!

27 posted on 12/18/2006 9:09:44 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Cold Heat; Mr. Silverback
COLD HEAT WROTE: "Perhaps you [Mr. Silverback] can console Santorum, and the various other solid conservatives who were blown out in previously supportive districts."

Santorum sealed his fate the moment he supported---no pushed---for the reelection of RINO Spectre. Principles went right out the window!...And LOOK where it got us...and him!

I'll end again with two messages to the RNC:

(1)...KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES!!!!!!! The exception should be that the RNC should promote REPUBLICAN PLATFORM PRINCIPLES during the primaries, and run down RAT Platform Principles!

(2) (To partly borrow from the movie TOP GUN)
CONSERVATISM WINS!!!!---NEVER LEAVE YOUR WINGMAN!!!
CONSERVATISM WINS!!!!---NEVER LEAVE YOUR WINGMAN!!!
CONSERVATISM WINS!!!!---NEVER LEAVE YOUR BASE!!!

28 posted on 12/18/2006 10:19:01 PM PST by Concerned (My Motto: It's NEVER wrong to do what's RIGHT!!!)
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To: Cold Heat
Fantastic analysis. The fact is that for many "social conservatives", if they could get abortion outlawed they would immediately go to the democrat fold.
29 posted on 12/18/2006 10:25:39 PM PST by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Mr. Silverback; Cold Heat
MR. SILVERBACK WROTE: "Please note that I never cited a pundit. The articles I cited contained empirical data from scientific sources."

COLD HEAT WROTE: "How about this....I'm quoting myself...I don't need to quote some moron pundit."

MR. SILVERBACK RESPONDED: "Oh, but it seems you are!"

LOL!!! Good one, Mr. Silverback!

30 posted on 12/18/2006 10:28:14 PM PST by Concerned (My Motto: It's NEVER wrong to do what's RIGHT!!!)
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To: Coleus
"Movements and issue groups rise and fall. For example, the 1980s and early 90s saw the ascendancy of Moral Majority. Today, my hunch is that we are seeing early signs that secular Republicans are starting to push back, and that they are less likely to sit quietly in the party's back seat over the next few years." -- Source
31 posted on 12/18/2006 10:32:10 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Mr. Silverback; Cold Heat
MR. SILVERBACK WROTE: "You [Cold heat] claim you have predicted the 2006 election, but you're only half right. Your prediction of defeat came true, but your concept of the reasons for the defeat was not only wrong, but has been completely disproven with empirical data, just like the 2004 results. It's sort of like a person in 1942 predicting that Germany would lose the war, but saying the reason they would lose was because the German Army had inferior soldiers. Same result, clueless reasoning.

BINGO!!! Mr. Silverback, you are EXACTLY RIGHT!!!

32 posted on 12/18/2006 10:36:27 PM PST by Concerned (My Motto: It's NEVER wrong to do what's RIGHT!!!)
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To: Concerned
LOL!!! Good one, Mr. Silverback!

Thanks! I could almost hear the Sidewinder growling in my headphones...

Of course, that's a Sparrow coming out to play in the picture, but you get the idea. :-)

33 posted on 12/18/2006 10:50:15 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Texasforever
Fantastic analysis.

Um...the guy has written at least a couple of thousand words without providing a single verifiable fact to support his assertions, and refuses to provide any. He's even included some "facts" that are 180 degrees out from what verfiably happened.

Do you have any of the evidence he refuses to provide?

Are you aware that when folks like you and Cold Heat said similar stuff about the 2004 election it was debunked into a smoking hole with empirical data?

You can read my posts in this thread. What say you about the data--no, proof--provided?

34 posted on 12/18/2006 10:55:49 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Concerned

Thanks, bud. See post 29, we have another person who can't read exit polls.


35 posted on 12/18/2006 10:57:47 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We need to crush the Iraq Study Group like we crushed Harriet Miers. Let fly!)
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To: Texasforever

It could be that Abortion is the most important issue! We are killing off future generations abortion after abortion. Plus, don't you think that putting a baby up a "vacuum cleaner" is a bad thing.


36 posted on 12/19/2006 12:39:49 AM PST by napscoordinator
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