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GOP Is Losing Its Libertarian Voters
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | Dec 08, 2006 | David Boaz and David Kirby

Posted on 12/10/2006 10:04:01 PM PST by neverdem

Libertarian Party candidates may have cost Senators Jim Talent (R.-Mo.) and Conrad Burns (R.-Mont.) their seats, tipping the Senate to Democratic control.

In Montana, the Libertarian candidate got more than 10,000 votes, or 3%, while Democrat Jon Tester edged Burns by fewer than 3,000 votes. In Missouri, Claire McCaskill defeated Talent by 41,000 votes, a bit less than the 47,000 Libertarian votes.

This isn’t the first time Republicans have had to worry about losing votes to Libertarian Party candidates. Senators Harry Reid (Nev.), Maria Cantwell (Wash.), and Tim Johnson (S.D.) all won races in which Libertarian candidates got more votes than their winning margin.

But a narrow focus on the Libertarian Party significantly underestimates the role libertarian voters played in 2006. Most voters who hold libertarian views don’t vote for the Libertarian Party. Libertarian voters likely cost Republicans the House and the Senate—also dealing blows to Republican candidates in Arizona, Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.

In our study, “The Libertarian Vote,” we analyzed 16 years of polling data and found that libertarians constituted 13% of the electorate in 2004. Because libertarians are better educated and more likely to vote, they were 15% of actual voters.

Libertarians are broadly defined as people who favor less government in both economic and personal issues. They might be summed up as “fiscally conservative, socially liberal” voters.

In the past, our research shows, most libertarians voted Republican—72% for George W. Bush in 2000, for instance, with only 20 percent for Al Gore, and 70% for Republican congressional candidates in 2002. But in 2004, presumably turned off by war, wiretapping, and welfare-state spending sprees, they shifted sharply toward the Democrats. John F. Kerry got 38% of the libertarian vote. That was a dramatic swing that Republican strategists should have noticed. But somehow the libertarian vote has remained hidden in plain sight.

This year we commissioned a nationwide post-election survey of 1013 voters from Zogby International. We again found that 15 percent of the voters held libertarian views. We also found a further swing of libertarians away from Republican candidates. In 2006, libertarians voted 59% to 36% for Republican congressional candidates—a 24-point swing from the 2002 mid-term election. To put this in perspective, front-page stories since the election have reported the dramatic 7-point shift of white conservative evangelicals away from the Republicans. The libertarian vote is about the same size as the religious right vote measured in exit polls, and it is subject to swings more than three times as large.

Based on the turnout in 2004, Bush’s margin over Kerry dropped by 4.8 million votes among libertarians. Had he held his libertarian supporters, he would have won a smashing reelection rather than squeaking by in Ohio.

President Bush and the congressional Republicans left no libertarian button unpushed in the past six years: soaring spending, expansion of entitlements, federalization of education, cracking down on state medical marijuana initiatives, Sarbanes-Oxley, gay marriage bans, stem cell research restrictions, wiretapping, incarcerating U.S. citizens without a lawyer, unprecedented executive powers, and of course an unnecessary and apparently futile war. The striking thing may be that after all that, Democrats still looked worse to a majority of libertarians.

Because libertarians tend to be younger and better educated than the average voter, they’re not going away. They’re an appealing target for Democrats, but they are essential to future Republican successes. Republicans can win the South without libertarians. But this was the year that New Hampshire and the Mountain West turned purple if not blue, and libertarians played a big role there. New Hampshire may be the most libertarian state in the country; this year both the state’s Republican congressmen lost.

Meanwhile, in the Goldwateresque, “leave us alone” Mountain West, Republicans not only lost the Montana Senate seat; they also lost the governorship of Colorado, two House seats in Arizona, and one in Colorado. They had close calls in the Arizona Senate race and House races in Idaho, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Dick Cheney’s Wyoming. In libertarian Nevada, the Republican candidate for governor won less than a majority against a Democrat who promised to keep the government out of guns, abortion, and gay marriage. Arizona also became the first state to vote down a state constitutional amendment to define marriage as between one man and one woman.

Presidential candidates might note that even in Iowa libertarians helped vote out a Republican congressman who championed the Internet gambling ban.

If Republicans can’t win New Hampshire and the Mountain West, they can’t win a national majority. And they can’t win those states without libertarian votes. They’re going to need to stop scaring libertarian, centrist, and independent voters with their social-conservative obsessions and become once again the party of fiscal responsibility. In a Newsweek poll just before the election, 47% of respondents said they trusted the Democrats more on “federal spending and the deficit,” compared to just 31% who trusted the Republicans. That’s not Ronald Reagan’s Republican Party.

One more bit from our post-election Zogby poll: We asked voters if they considered themselves “fiscally conservative and socially liberal.” A whopping 59% said they did. When we added to the question “also known as libertarian,” 44% still claimed that description. That’s too many voters for any party to ignore.

Rep. Barbara Cubin (R.-Wyo.) told her Libertarian challenger after a debate, “If you weren’t sitting in that [wheel]chair, I’d slap you.” It took 10 days to certify her re-election, perhaps because that Libertarian took more than 7,000 votes. A better strategy for her and other Republicans would be to try to woo libertarians back.


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1 posted on 12/10/2006 10:04:04 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
When we added to the question “also known as libertarian,” 44% still claimed that description.

Yeah...suuuuure they are.

Zogby is a joke if he believes this is an accurate reading of the public's true feelings and positions. 44% Libertarians? Gimme a break.

2 posted on 12/10/2006 10:06:32 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Immigration is to Illegal Immigration what Birth is to Abortion.)
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To: neverdem

Old FRiend, I do not even want to touch this one. (Chuckling)


3 posted on 12/10/2006 10:08:18 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: neverdem

Oh GOP isn't losing libertarian voters, they vote on specific issues and individules. If GOP candidates wants them they have to run like true Republicans.


4 posted on 12/10/2006 10:08:25 PM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: neverdem
This has to assume the GOP and not the Democrats are losing the most to the Libertarians.

I could never figure why anyone votes libertarian. You might as well stay home.

5 posted on 12/10/2006 10:08:28 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: neverdem

Libertarians don't vote for Libertarians?


6 posted on 12/10/2006 10:09:25 PM PST by onyx (San Diego Chargers! La Danian Tomlinson and Phillip Rivers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: onyx

They only bitch and moan on chat sites.


7 posted on 12/10/2006 10:10:26 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: neverdem

Unless I read it wrong, what this article seems to presume is that libertarians and conservative evangelicals abandoned republicans to vote for democrats. This makes no sense at all. I presume what happened is that libertarians voted libertarian and "conservative evangelicals" stayed home.

While both the actions were, objectively, votes for dims and terrorists, they still indicate a need for more, not less conservatism from the republican party.


8 posted on 12/10/2006 10:11:19 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: Indy Pendance
They only bitch and moan on chat sites.

And smoke doobies.

9 posted on 12/10/2006 10:12:33 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Indy Pendance

They have chat sites too?
Wish they'd restrict themselves to those sites and spare this forum.


10 posted on 12/10/2006 10:13:45 PM PST by onyx (San Diego Chargers! La Danian Tomlinson and Phillip Rivers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: neverdem
They’re going to need to stop scaring libertarian, centrist, and independent voters with their social-conservative obsessions and become once again the party of fiscal responsibility.

Repeated in bold, in case anyone missed it.

11 posted on 12/10/2006 10:14:51 PM PST by Wormwood (Everybody is lying---but it doesn't matter because nobody is listening)
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To: neverdem

"But in 2004, presumably turned off by war, wiretapping, and welfare-state spending sprees, they shifted sharply toward the Democrats. John F. Kerry got 38% of the libertarian vote."

I don't buy it. You mean to tell me that if one is disgusted by Bush due to his many liberal policies, 38% of Libertarians will thus vote for a candidate that will make things that much worse? Sorry. No sale.

Other than that, the GOP needs to get back to its libertarian positions of smaller govt and reduced spending.


12 posted on 12/10/2006 10:16:11 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: dfwgator

Dude, doobies are like so 70's man.


13 posted on 12/10/2006 10:17:35 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: neverdem
President Bush and the congressional Republicans left no libertarian button unpushed in the past six years: soaring spending, expansion of entitlements, federalization of education, cracking down on state medical marijuana initiatives, Sarbanes-Oxley, gay marriage bans, stem cell research restrictions, wiretapping, incarcerating U.S. citizens without a lawyer, unprecedented executive powers, and of course an unnecessary and apparently futile war. The striking thing may be that after all that, Democrats still looked worse to a majority of libertarians.

Some of these criticisms are legitimate, but I take special exception to two:

  1. "stem cell research restrictions." by which the dishonest author means embryonic stem cell restrictions - in fact, there are many pro-life libertarians who object to Mengalian experimentation on human life

  2. "gay marriage bans" - certainly, at least some libertarians recognize the statist nature of the homosexual rights movement; it has not been shy about pushing things like "hate crime" statutes which punish thought instead of the crimes themselves, and "anti-discrimination" laws which restrict religious freedom and freedom of association.

These guys aren't fooling anyone who knows a thing or two about libertarianism. It is a shame that the libertarian movement has been hijacked by people who seem primarily interested in drug legalization at the expense of every other issue.

14 posted on 12/10/2006 10:17:57 PM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: onyx

That's what they think this place is.


15 posted on 12/10/2006 10:18:17 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

And I liked them better before Michael McDonald.


16 posted on 12/10/2006 10:18:35 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Indy Pendance


They're in for a rude awakening.


17 posted on 12/10/2006 10:19:04 PM PST by onyx (San Diego Chargers! La Danian Tomlinson and Phillip Rivers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: dfwgator

Touche!


18 posted on 12/10/2006 10:20:29 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: neverdem
If Republicans can’t win New Hampshire and the Mountain West, they can’t win a national majority. And they can’t win those states without libertarian votes. They’re going to need to stop scaring libertarian, centrist, and independent voters with their social-conservative obsessions and become once again the party of fiscal responsibility. In a Newsweek poll just before the election, 47% of respondents said they trusted the Democrats more on “federal spending and the deficit,” compared to just 31% who trusted the Republicans. That’s not Ronald Reagan’s Republican Party.

I think there's a lot of truth in this article. But do the "social conservatives" even care. We shall see...

19 posted on 12/10/2006 10:22:12 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: onyx

This place is THE place for political chat. Practically no one on this site is willing to go to freeps and attend activism events anymore. We will fix the world via a keyboard and my most profound post! Just wait until Reid reads what I just said! That'll fix him for good! Can you imagine the march for justice ala 2006? LOL, we'd get 10 people.


20 posted on 12/10/2006 10:24:30 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: prov1813man
PROV1813MAN WROTE: "While both the actions were, objectively, votes for dims and terrorists, they still indicate a need for more, not less conservatism from the republican party."

EXACTLY!!!!!

If REPUBLICAN candidates would run on the REPUBLICAN Platform, they would get REPUBLICAN voters to vote for them instead of staying home!!!

It's such a NO-BRAINER, I do not understand why President Bush and the RNC don't "get it." President Bush has an MBA from Harvard. He has had marketing. He, of ALL people in his administration, should understand it.

21 posted on 12/10/2006 10:24:33 PM PST by Concerned (My Motto: It's NEVER wrong to do what's RIGHT!!!)
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To: neverdem

Piss poor analysis.


22 posted on 12/10/2006 10:25:04 PM PST by pissant
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To: Indy Pendance

You're right and I bet we could name the 10 people here who would make the effort to attend.

Today was absolutely amazing for its level of disgust and full out histrionics. I almost offered the keyboard jocks Tampons.


23 posted on 12/10/2006 10:30:16 PM PST by onyx (San Diego Chargers! La Danian Tomlinson and Phillip Rivers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: dfwgator; Indy Pendance

Yeah, great attitude. Guess you won't need our votes in 2008 either. Good luck with the big-government "compassionate" conservatism thing boys.


24 posted on 12/10/2006 10:33:11 PM PST by billybudd
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To: neverdem

Libertarians aren't really a natural part of the GOP constituency, and shouldn't be treated as such or relied upon in any way.


25 posted on 12/10/2006 10:34:34 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: neverdem
We need them. Like it or not there are a lot of small government voters in this country. And they've demonstrated they'll vote for whoever leaves them alone.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

26 posted on 12/10/2006 10:34:46 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Darkwolf377
Zogby is a joke if he believes this is an accurate reading of the public's true feelings and positions. 44% Libertarians? Gimme a break.

44% is probably understating it. A huge majority of the American public still wants a small, unintrusive government. The only people that want an intrusive government are socialists and social conservatives.

A large number of people that vote Democrat aren't socialists but vote for the Dems because they fear the theocons in control of the Republican party.

In the same way , a large number of people that vote Republican aren't really social conservatives but vote for the GOP anyway because they fear the socialists in control of the Democratic party.

The parties are due for a realignment - hopefully all the small government voters can unite and save this country from the big government types that control both the Republican and Democratic parties.

27 posted on 12/10/2006 10:34:47 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: HitmanLV
Libertarians aren't really a natural part of the GOP constituency, and shouldn't be treated as such or relied upon in any way.

Fine, forget the label 'libertarian' and replace it with 'moderate' or 'centrist'.

You want us out of the party as well?

28 posted on 12/10/2006 10:35:53 PM PST by Wormwood (Everybody is lying---but it doesn't matter because nobody is listening)
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To: JeffAtlanta
In the same way , a large number of people that vote Republican aren't really social conservatives but vote for the GOP anyway because they fear the socialists in control of the Democratic party.

*ahem*

29 posted on 12/10/2006 10:36:49 PM PST by Wormwood (Everybody is lying---but it doesn't matter because nobody is listening)
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To: B Knotts
Libertarians are classical liberals: pro free market and keep government out of my guns, bedroom and personal life liberals. They are NOT social conservatives.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

30 posted on 12/10/2006 10:37:00 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Darkwolf377
"One more bit from our post-election Zogby poll: We asked voters if they considered themselves “fiscally conservative and socially liberal.” A whopping 59% said they did. When we added to the question “also known as libertarian,” 44% still claimed that description. That’s too many voters for any party to ignore."

Zogby is a joke if he believes this is an accurate reading of the public's true feelings and positions. 44% Libertarians? Gimme a break.

Go back to the bolded part. I wouldn't be surprised if folks who described themselves as fiscally conservative and socially liberal also called themselves as libertarians.

31 posted on 12/10/2006 10:39:22 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: pissant
Piss poor analysis.

Crudely stated, but essentially correct.

Apparently they asked voters a series of questions and those whose answers were "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" were deemed Libertarians. Those who were actually members of the Libertarian party were probably a small subset of that total

This looks to me like an effort by Boaz et al to make the Libertarian party more influential at the polls than it actually is.

32 posted on 12/10/2006 10:39:25 PM PST by Ceebass
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To: HitmanLV
Libertarians aren't really a natural part of the GOP constituency, and shouldn't be treated as such or relied upon in any way.

LOL - Small government, fiscal conservatives aren't a "natural part of the GOP"? Exactly what do you think is the natural constituency of the GOP?

With attitudes that I've seen here by the theocons, unless the democrats do something really stupid (which they are prone to do), they are going to be in power for a long time.

33 posted on 12/10/2006 10:42:03 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: onyx

I went to 4 algore freeps before I was a registered 'freeper'. I wonder how many posters have actually 'freeped' an event. Now, it's just stating opinions, being witty, and do nothing other than gripe and moan about how bad stuff is. And don't forget to post your latest porn crap. I wonder, how many of these posters actually 'do' stuff to advance conservatism, other than bitch on a forum. It's really sad if you think about it. How many volunteer at the local office? How many stuff envelopes? How many actually do something to advance conservativism? "But I post my opinions on an internet site". It's apparent most are forum warriors and don't do diddly to advance conservative causes. They just glom onto the topic du jour and that's that.


34 posted on 12/10/2006 10:42:57 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: JeffAtlanta
I agree. If Republicans want to be a Southern only party, they'll be in the minority for a long time.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

35 posted on 12/10/2006 10:43:24 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: billybudd

You just don't get it.


36 posted on 12/10/2006 10:43:42 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: everyone

These Libertarian swine deserve a lot of blame. If we'd had three more Senate seats in the last Congress, things could have been quite different. They blame us for problems that they in part create.


37 posted on 12/10/2006 10:46:15 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Ceebass
Apparently they asked voters a series of questions and those whose answers were "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" were deemed Libertarians.

"Fiscally conservative and socially liberal" voters certainly are small "L" libertatians. The article was primarily dealing with libertarians not members of the Libertarian Party.

38 posted on 12/10/2006 10:46:32 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Indy Pendance

I started working in local campaigns when I was 21. Pete Wilson was running for CA Assemblyman in my district. As you know, he later won election for Mayor of San Diego, U.S. Senator and finally Governor of CA. I love campaign work.

You and I both know that darn few people here actually work in campaigns: there's not enough hours in the day, given the time they spend here.


39 posted on 12/10/2006 10:48:17 PM PST by onyx (San Diego Chargers! La Danian Tomlinson and Phillip Rivers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: California Patriot
These Libertarian swine deserve a lot of blame. If we'd had three more Senate seats in the last Congress, things could have been quite different. They blame us for problems that they in part create.

That's exactly the attitude I'm talking about - you attack the small "L" libertarian voters and then you get upset when they don't vote for you.

If the GOP wants libertarian votes then they need to embrace smaller, less intrusive government. It's actually pretty simple.

40 posted on 12/10/2006 10:50:09 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Wormwood
Not at all. One thing both conservatives and liberals have in common is that they see an appropriate use of government and law as an agent for social policy. They disagree on the goals and the methods.

I think that's true also of most moderates and centrists. Libertarians, at least the ones I know, don't acknowledge a government role as an agent for a social policy. By this standard, libertarians are neither moderates nor centrists, so I don't know if the labeling you suggest is terribly helpful.

I actually like moderates and centrists in the GOP. Libertarians are neither - they tend to have a fringy approach to law, political policy, and social policy. The day that a majority of americans see things their way will be a happy day for them. That's far off, and I don't consider them reliable ideological kin to conservatives, moderates, centrists, or liberals for that matter.
41 posted on 12/10/2006 10:50:37 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: B Knotts
"stem cell research restrictions." by which the dishonest author means embryonic stem cell restrictions - in fact, there are many pro-life libertarians who object to Mengalian experimentation on human life

I don't know how dishonest the authors are, but I would be surprised to find any informed libertarian that wanted to fund with taxes embryonic stem cell research. Results so far is without any clinical utility.

42 posted on 12/10/2006 10:57:32 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: onyx

Free Republic now is just a popular chat site. And that's really a pity, because we have a lot of like minded folks who could do something, but they just 'don't have the time'. Free Republic used to be a do something site, not a bitch and moan site.


43 posted on 12/10/2006 10:58:39 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Some chapters are still "doing good work." I miss San Diego for that reason and I applaud and thank my San Diego FRiends for their continued good FReeps.

You have FR mail.


44 posted on 12/10/2006 11:01:44 PM PST by onyx (San Diego Chargers! La Danian Tomlinson and Phillip Rivers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I could never figure why anyone votes libertarian. You might as well stay home.

Should the Conservatives in NY State stay home too, or should they vote for the likes of Bloomberg, Giuliani and Pataki?

45 posted on 12/10/2006 11:03:09 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
I think that libertarians have some things in common with conservatives, but depart from most conservatives in several respects. Most conservatives and liberals do think there is a legitimate role of government in setting social policy, though they disagree with the goals and methods.

Libertarians I know don't think that's the case. The small government part is ok, but I tend to think conservatives have an agenda beyond that, and not limited to a 'theocon' agenda in any way. Most Americans believe there is a legitimate role of government in the social sphere - libertarians tend to think there isn't. They tend to really have no major political party as a natural home for them, their fiscal conservatism notwithstanding.

As it stands they haven't been able to convince many Americans of their point of view. That being said, their numbers are growing. But I don't consider their votes to be ones that the GOP can count on or rely upon.

I said before the election if the dems control the House by a 230 or so seats, the GOP won't see control of the House for a very long time, maybe decades. That has almost nothing to do with libertarian voters in those districts, though.

I just think that while conservatives and libertarians are of like mind on many issues, they are of different mind of other issues and just aren't a reliable part of the GOP constituency. The last election demonstrated that in some areas, but that's not to say libertarian voters are needed for conservatives to win. The GOP won many races in 2002 and 2004 by healthy margins - those weren't all libertarians making the difference. The GOP can win with some libertarian minded voters, but it certainly doesn't need them all, and it certainly doesn't need them to win, notwithstanding solid and heavy losses in 2006.

I just don't want serious minded libertarians to compromise much to join GOP ranks, and i don't want conservatvies to compromise much to make libertarians happy. The fact is there just aren't that many libertarians and until there are more, they are just a marginal force that tends to not accomplish very much, outside of talking.

And talk, after all, is cheap. Once they organize and capture larger numbers, they might win now and then. Until then, they need to work on converting people to their point of view and gaining political clout. I wish them the best but I find them to not be a good fit with the GOP except for some fiscal issues, and frankly that issue is overrated since it's clear to me that enough people like fat DC spending - at least, the fat DC spending that comes their way.
46 posted on 12/10/2006 11:03:17 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: onyx

What happened to the FR network? where is all the chapter work?


47 posted on 12/10/2006 11:05:03 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: JeffAtlanta
Exactly. If we're going to give these voters the boot and tell them we don't want them, we shouldn't be surprised to see the Democrats end up running the country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

48 posted on 12/10/2006 11:10:27 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: JeffAtlanta

Uh, Jeff, I attacked the big-L Libertarian voters.

And I attacked them because they cost us Senate seats, not for their beliefs.


49 posted on 12/10/2006 11:11:54 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: dfwgator; tpaine; onyx; Indy Pendance
And smoke doobies.

The war on guns: Joel Miller explains how drug cops are killing 2nd Amendment

Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]

The war on some drugs is as effective as alcohol prohibition and funds islamofascists.

50 posted on 12/10/2006 11:13:38 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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