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Death rates per doctor to be listed
The Boston Globe ^ | December 6, 2006 | Liz Kowalczyk

Posted on 12/06/2006 10:43:34 AM PST by A. Pole

Massachusetts health officials have decided to publicize the patient death rates for individual heart surgeons, the first time the state will release information on the quality of care provided by individual doctors --not just by hospitals and physicians' groups .

Beginning Dec. 18, it will be possible to go to a website and look up the mortality rates for 55 surgeons who perform cardiac bypass operations. About 4,000 patients had bypass surgery at 14 Massachusetts hospitals in 2004, according to the state's most recent figures. It is one of the most common operations.

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In New York, where mortality data for individual cardiac surgeons have been released since 1991, state officials credit the program with lowering death rates, but surgeons in Massachusetts are worried that public reporting could hurt care by discouraging doctors from taking high-risk patients who are more likely to die.

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Dr. George Tolis Jr., the new chief of cardiothoracic surgery at Caritas St. Elizabeth's who was a surgeon in New York, said the program has not improved care. He said some surgeons have low mortality rates because they refuse to operate on high-risk patients.

Tolis said the problem is that states' analyses cannot fully account for all of a patient's risk factors, so that surgeons who take higher-risk patients still end up looking like they get worse results.

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(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: health; hospitals; medicine; mortality
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1 posted on 12/06/2006 10:43:38 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole

How nice. Now some doctors will be reluctant to perform risky procedures.


2 posted on 12/06/2006 10:44:54 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: A. Pole
they need a law to put scalpel locks on scalpels and institute a 24 hour waiting period to get one.
3 posted on 12/06/2006 10:45:45 AM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
some surgeons have low mortality rates because they refuse to operate on high-risk patients

This is a good example how the market mechanisms might lead to the less medical care for the sicker people.

4 posted on 12/06/2006 10:45:53 AM PST by A. Pole (Richard Niebuhr: the first question of ethics is not "What should I do?" but "What is going on?")
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To: Rakkasan1

Outlaw scalpels, and only outlaws will have scalpels.

Never mind. Already the case.


5 posted on 12/06/2006 10:46:45 AM PST by RexBeach ("In war there is no substitute for victory." Douglas MacArthur)
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To: 1rudeboy

Exactly.


6 posted on 12/06/2006 10:47:16 AM PST by Osage Orange (Every attempt to make war easy & safe will result in humiliation and disaster.-W. T. Sherman)
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To: 1rudeboy
Now some doctors will be reluctant to perform risky procedures.

"Some"? I am afraid this is an understatement :(

7 posted on 12/06/2006 10:47:59 AM PST by A. Pole (Richard Niebuhr: the first question of ethics is not "What should I do?" but "What is going on?")
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To: 1rudeboy

Wouldn't you presume that
all of a doctor's patients die?


8 posted on 12/06/2006 10:48:05 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Good point.


9 posted on 12/06/2006 10:49:06 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: A. Pole

"Massachusetts health officials have decided . . ." is hardly an example of a "market mechanism."


10 posted on 12/06/2006 10:51:00 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Rakkasan1
Breathalyzer locks on scapels...
11 posted on 12/06/2006 10:51:38 AM PST by megatherium
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To: 1rudeboy
"Massachusetts health officials have decided . . ." is hardly an example of a "market mechanism."

But if you want to give people market choice they need to have access to the verified data, don't they?

12 posted on 12/06/2006 10:53:15 AM PST by A. Pole (Richard Niebuhr: the first question of ethics is not "What should I do?" but "What is going on?")
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To: A. Pole

I suppose that depends on whether you want your (Massachusetts) citizens to have access to more doctors, or less.


13 posted on 12/06/2006 10:54:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: A. Pole

Let's not forget to list death rates per human.


14 posted on 12/06/2006 10:55:28 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: A. Pole

Surgeons are not afraid of medical risk, they are afraid of tort lawyers in league with state attorneys general, who use government power to threaten them with endless lawsuits - not for negligence - but over matters of professional judgment. This results in excessively high insurance premiums, which many specialists are increasingly unable to afford. That's not a "market mechanism", it's social engineering with Mafia tactics.


15 posted on 12/06/2006 10:55:49 AM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: A. Pole

Can't they put in some kind of "degree of difficulty" rating like they do in diving competitions so the mortality rate would be in context?


16 posted on 12/06/2006 10:57:57 AM PST by Radio_Silence
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Hmm... This does present quite a conundrum. There are very good arguments on both sides of the issue.

It seems there should be some way to weight individual patients based on known risk factors in order to even out the score. Obviously, a simple tally of deaths doesn't tell the whole story. Keeping a high-risk patient alive should carry a greater reward than keeping a low-risk patient alive.

17 posted on 12/06/2006 10:59:43 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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Having worked at a major Boston hospital for 20+ years and,thus, having rubbed elbows with some of the finest physicians in the world I can tell you that this is foolishness for many reasons,the most important being...

...that major hospitals in this country,be they in Boston,Manhattan,Philly,DC,Chicago,LA,etc,act as referral centers for the region in which they're located and,in some cases,for the world (the hospital where I worked got many,many patients from all over the country and the world). The fact that they're "referral centers" means that they get the sickest patients.These are patients that are so sick that they stand little chance of survival at "Western Kansas Medical Center" but have at least some chance if moved to Barnes Hospital in St Louis...for example.

The doctors drawing up these lists know this but the average "civilian" doesn't know nearly enough about the practice of medicine to understand it.

18 posted on 12/06/2006 11:00:36 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out)
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To: Radio_Silence
Can't they put in some kind of "degree of difficulty" rating like they do in diving competitions so the mortality rate would be in context?

They are trying to do that. But it might be close to impossible to do it accurately and fairly. If you are a doctor, it will always be easier for you to stay away from unsafe cases. No deaths, no problem!

19 posted on 12/06/2006 11:01:54 AM PST by A. Pole (Richard Niebuhr: the first question of ethics is not "What should I do?" but "What is going on?")
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To: A. Pole
MY father had heart surgery last year. The initial surgeon determined the risj factors for him and declined to perform the operation sending him to a much larger hospital instead.

He lived, but if he didn't make it wouldn't the more qualified doctor and hospital get stuck with the higher death rate?

20 posted on 12/06/2006 11:02:15 AM PST by CharacterCounts (-)
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