Campaign to renounce Islam started in Azerbaijan

BBC Monitoring ^ | November 20 2006

[knighthawk]

Text of report by Azerbaijani website Day.az on 20 November

Baku, 20 November: A group of creative youth in Azerbaijan started a campaign called Renouncing Islam in protest against the suppression of the freedom of speech and thought being implemented by manipulating Islam and the name of Prophet Muhammad.

Journalists Aqsin, Murad Keyxanqala, novelists Sevinc Parvana, Gunel Movlud, Qan Turali, essayists Sahriyar Sarica and others have kicked off the action.

At this point, the number of participants in the Renouncing Islam campaign is growing.

Journalist Seymur Baycan and composer Firuddin Allahverdiyev, who renounced Islam several years ago, have already expressed their support to the action.

Source: Day.az website, Baku, in Russian 0802 gmt 20 Nov 06

[samtheman]

If Islam wasn't the perfect example of a self policing and recruiting cult, I believe 80% of the members would renounce the idiocy. Unfortunately, the cult uses violence to curb it's members.

I think it would have shrivelled to a cult of fanatics, living in caves, numbering in the thousands. But, as you say, it is perfectly self-policing. Once in, you can't get out.

[Right Wing Assault]

Only a billion or two more to go.

[lesser_satan]

bump

[Terpin]

God help'em! They just made the muzzies 10 Most Wanted list.

[backtothestreets]

This story needs circulation within liberal communities. Islam will not be curtailed by Western Civilization unless, and until we are unified as a single people.

As this story, and others like it unfolds, and we can be certain it will, it will present an opportunity to show western liberals exactly what sort of treatment they would enjoy with Islam. Few are such examples as liberals expressing free thought or abandoning Islam are slaughtered, silenced or imprisoned before even Christian or Jew.

We see ourselves as conservative, but what is it that we seek to conserve? The ideals of free press, speech, assembly and religion, and make no mistake each of these were liberal in their essence when introduced.

If this story goes the direction most people presuppose it will, it must be made known to liberals as the fate they will face unless they join with us against Islam.

We should also be seeking other such stories to report. Call it what we may, the Canadian, UK and USA government had the wisdom to direct the press to include the smallest of victories in the early days of WWII when Axis powers were enjoying their largest gains. It was the reporting of small victories that lifted the spirits of our nations and hope of larger victories. Never underestimate the power of positive thinking. Together we can accomplish the role of unifying our people and demonstrating victories can be achieved.

[TXnMA]

May their tribe increase -- worldwide!

[Salem]

Backtothestreets at 25.

"This story needs circulation within liberal communities. Islam will not be curtailed by Western Civilization unless, and until we are unified as a single people.

As this story, and others like it unfolds, and we can be certain it will, it will present an opportunity to show western liberals exactly what sort of treatment they would enjoy with Islam. Few are such examples as liberals expressing free thought or abandoning Islam are slaughtered, silenced or imprisoned before even Christian or Jew.

We see ourselves as conservative, but what is it that we seek to conserve? The ideals of free press, speech, assembly and religion, and make no mistake each of these were liberal in their essence when introduced.

If this story goes the direction most people presuppose it will, it must be made known to liberals as the fate they will face unless they join with us against Islam.

We should also be seeking other such stories to report. Call it what we may, the Canadian, UK and USA government had the wisdom to direct the press to include the smallest of victories in the early days of WWII when Axis powers were enjoying their largest gains. It was the reporting of small victories that lifted the spirits of our nations and hope of larger victories. Never underestimate the power of positive thinking. Together we can accomplish the role of unifying our people and demonstrating victories can be achieved.

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"...It's time we recognized the nature of the conflict. It's total war and we are all involved. Nobody on our side is exempted because of age, gender, or handicap. The Islamofacists have stolen childhood from the world." [FReeper Retief]

"...That the totalitarian force pitted against freedom wears a religious makes this civil war among mankind all the more difficult to engage. Loving freedom as we do, it seems reprehensible to deliberate against a religion. But this is no ordinary religion as it demands absolute obedience of all to their religion at the cost of freedom itself." [FReeper Backtothestreets]

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Oh heck, you know heads are going to roll over this.

[wildandcrazyrussian]

A REALLY GREAT ARTICLE POSTED BY ELENI121 A FEW MONTHS AGO:

"Six million African Muslims leave Islam per year"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1628028/posts

[Bellflower]

Pray for them.

[Fred Nerks]

mighty oak forests grow from a handful of acorns!

[backtothestreets]

Thank you for that link. For those that missed it, there's good news awaiting: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1628028/posts

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Hopefully it will spread to Kurdistan, Turkey and northwestern Iran shortly.
It is the only path to sanity.

Daniel Pipes was only partly correct when he said the solution to radical Islam must come from within Islam.
It must come from within Islam by leaving Islam.

[firebrand]

Yet he is the one they pick on. The sanest voice. Go figure.

[Cronos]

Not necessarily, the Azeris were pretty much atheist under the Soviet regime and even now are hardly religious. I expect this will go pretty far. Also note that Azeris (a distinct linguistic and to some extent ethnic group who are Turkic in language) form 25% of the Irani population...

[AmericanArchConservative]

I applaud your every word! Well thought through! this is just the sort of "prelude to revival" needed throughout the world.

I believe I was the first FReeper to openly state in a posting - almost two years ago - that alla = satan. I am not the last. I have been pleased to note equivalent summary statements in the text of other FRiends' postings, and not a few have it as part of their tagline!

Truth is rather contagious!

Daniel Pipes has bee quoted to have said that reform must come from within Islam.

I say yes and no.

Yes, the strongest and most credible movement towards reform must originate from within muhammadanism. The scholars, thinkers and "laity" alike must re-examine on the broadest possible scale...

...The very need for "islam" - AKA muhammadanism - to survive, let alone thrive and propagate.

Which leads directly into my second point. Since my own deepest and most thorough scholarly research has strongly indicated with the highest levels of positive correlation, that islam is simply a bastardised, adulterated, perverted, and grievously twisted satanic hybrid of other faiths and philosophies...

Those other faiths and philosophies of origin must be thoroughly reviewed and tested each on their own merits, as to their veracity, and their unadulterated streams of thought forded once more.

Principally, muhammad {pork chops be upon him} stole, ripped-off, and plagiarised wantonly and deliberately from Judaism and Christianity.

To a lesser degree of content, Zoroastrianism, and ancient Arabic pantheism {specifically, the minor god, al-uzzah represented by the crescent moon as a male symbol encompassing the "star" of the planet, Venus - a feminine symbol across the panthons of many cultures, including Phoenician, Babylonian, Chaldean, Greek and Roman to name but a few...thus forming a fertility symbol - perfect for a male-dominated fertility and death oriented cult}

He did this specifically in response to seeing Jewish merchant and trader success, and Christian unity throughout the middle east, and witnessing Arab poverty, division, infighting, and failure.

His unstated purpose was to unite Arabs around a monotheistic idea and ideal - a rallying point to foment the creation of an Arabic religious identity to be forcibly exported, forged in war, and foisted upon other countries and cultures - to conquer and subdue them at whatever cost. Up to, and including co-opting or eradication of their art, culture, history, religion, and scholarly traditions.

Owing to the limited nature and applications of Zoroastrianism in the modern world, and to the inexorably vile nature of the Arab pantheistic influence over the development of the early Arab-centric assimilate-or-suffocate character of islam, these ought to be discounted and not be included in any comparative studies, except for purely academic reasons.

The natural result of a thorough review of Judaism, Christianity, who share the same G_d, should be -

- the summary conversion of every open-minded, heartfelt scholarly inquirer from muhammadanism's madness to the eminent sanity, mercy, love, and justice of either becoming Jewish, or Christian.

It is the only natural progression - or regression, if you wish - for a highly regressive and repressive "religion" {term used highly advisedly under the best of lights!}

Islam unrepentant, islam unreformed, islam unchanged can only become more and more what the old and new testaments referenced as "the whore of Babylon...", the "great Harlot, sitting upon many waters...drunk with the blood of the saints", and conceivably even "the abomination which brings desolation" or the "abomination of desolations".

Islam/muhammadanism "reformed", cannot remain 'islam': It can only be Judaism, or Christianity. Its adherents must only naturally become Jews or Christians. I will be satisfied to see either outcome, and consider it justice done.

Those are its truest historical roots, and should it renounce the apostasy of muhammad and his many revisions of the patriarchal lineage - his ennumerable blasphemies in which he placed himself above Christ as a prophet and teacher, and supplanted Christ as meschiayach/messiah with the unholy reincarnated "12th Mahdhi", bringer of divine chaos, division and destruction - then having abandoned muhammad for G_d, if not Christ - it must choose:

Old covenant, or New Covenant.

AmericanArchConservative

[AmericanArchConservative]

I applaud your every word! Well thought through! This is just the sort of "prelude to revival" needed throughout the world.

I believe I was the first FReeper to openly state in a posting - almost two years ago - that alla = satan. I am not the last. I have been pleased to note equivalent summary statements in the text of other FRiends' postings, and not a few have it as part of their tagline!

Truth is rather contagious!

Daniel Pipes has been quoted to have said that reform must come from within Islam.

I say yes and no.

Yes, the strongest and most credible movement towards reform must originate from within muhammadanism. The scholars, thinkers and "laity" alike must re-examine on the broadest possible scale...

...The very need for "islam" - AKA muhammadanism - to survive, let alone thrive and propagate.

Which leads directly into my second point. Since my own deepest and most thorough scholarly research has strongly indicated with the highest levels of positive correlation, that islam is simply a bastardised, adulterated, perverted, and grievously twisted satanic hybrid of other faiths and philosophies...

Those other faiths and philosophies of origin must be thoroughly reviewed and tested each on their own merits, as to their veracity, and their unadulterated streams of thought forded once more.

Principally, muhammad {pork chops be upon him} stole, ripped-off, and plagiarised wantonly and deliberately from Judaism and Christianity.

To a lesser degree of content, Zoroastrianism, and ancient Arabic pantheism {specifically, the minor god, al-uzzah represented by the crescent moon as a male symbol encompassing the "star" of the planet, Venus - a feminine symbol across the panthons of many cultures, including Phoenician, Babylonian, Chaldean, Greek and Roman to name but a few...thus forming a fertility symbol - perfect for a male-dominated fertility and death oriented cult}

He did this specifically in response to seeing Jewish merchant and trader success, and Christian unity throughout the middle east, and witnessing Arab poverty, division, infighting, and failure.

His unstated purpose was to unite Arabs around a monotheistic idea and ideal - a rallying point to foment the creation of an Arabic religious identity to be forcibly exported, forged in war, and foisted upon other countries and cultures - to conquer and subdue them at whatever cost. Up to, and including co-opting or eradication of their art, culture, history, religion, and scholarly traditions.

Owing to the limited nature and applications of Zoroastrianism in the modern world, and to the inexorably vile nature of the Arab pantheistic influence over the development of the early Arab-centric assimilate-or-suffocate character of islam, these ought to be discounted and not be included in any comparative studies, except for purely academic reasons.

The natural result of a thorough review of Judaism, Christianity, who share the same G_d, should be -

- the summary conversion of every open-minded, heartfelt scholarly inquirer from muhammadanism's madness to the eminent sanity, mercy, love, and justice of either becoming Jewish, or Christian.

It is the only natural progression - or regression, if you wish - for a highly regressive and repressive "religion" {term used highly advisedly under the best of lights!}

Islam unrepentant, islam unreformed, islam unchanged can only become more and more what the old and new testaments referenced as "the whore of Babylon...", the "great Harlot, sitting upon many waters...drunk with the blood of the saints", and conceivably even "the abomination which brings desolation" or the "abomination of desolations".

Islam/muhammadanism "reformed", cannot remain 'islam': It can only be Judaism, or Christianity. Its adherents must only naturally become Jews or Christians. I will be satisfied to see either outcome, and consider it justice done.

Those are its truest historical roots, and should it renounce the apostasy of muhammad and his many revisions of the patriarchal lineage - his ennumerable blasphemies in which he placed himself above Christ as a prophet and teacher, and supplanted Christ as meschiayach/messiah with the unholy reincarnated "12th Mahdhi", bringer of divine chaos, division and destruction - then having abandoned muhammad for G_d, if not Christ - it must choose:

Old covenant, or New Covenant.

AmericanArchConservative

[backtothestreets]

This might go down as my dumbest post of all time, but please bear with me.

What is it we most fear about Islam? Do we fear for our lives, our way of life, our spiritual lives? It may be that we fear having our hopes taken from us.

Consider for a moment what Muslims fear most. They fear not going to their "Paradise" even more than death itself. This is why they are so willing to commit suicide attacks. Hold that thought.

Earlier in the week I was involved in a serious thread that took some rather bemusing twists here and there. One FReeper had suggested carpet bombing Islam with live hogs. I'd seen similar suggestions in the past, but this one made an odd connection. I replied wondering if anyone had ever undertaken a project to create a nonlethal bomb that would disperse vaporized pig molecules. Muslims can run to avoid hogs, but they can't avoid breathing.

Now, interesting enough my post brought replies. One suggested it would force Muslims to choose another route to eternal salvation as once a Muslim purposely comes in contact with pigs they are condemned to hell.

Another interesting reply was to produce small vials of pork blood (although any pork product would work) and wear these so any suicide attack by a Muslim would expose them to the pork product and thus hell. Oddly enough I could see these being made quite a visible addition to all airports, subways, and places people congregate.

My last reply on the thread was to create a liquefied pork product that could be dropped like fire retardant over vast areas of agriculture in Islamic areas, immediately after blanketing the area with leaflets telling everyone what was about to take place. Muslims must be aware they are making conscience decision to come in contact with the pork product. This would force them to make contact of starve.

Now, I don't know that anyone will ever undertake any of these suggestions, but there can be something gained from all this. Muslims know we fear for our lives and safety. We are not defenseless. Muslims have great fears too, even though life doesn't seem to be among their fears. We must uncover these and expose them to their fears.

If this proves to be my dumbest post, I hope never to surpass it with something dumber.

[jan in Colorado]

You are brilliant!

[backtothestreets]

Made me blush! My bald head may be brilliant, but I'll admit to nothing beyond that. LOL

On a serious note though, I'm still hashing over all that we are seeing, hearing, and have learned from history. Here's the bottom line:

While Christians believe an individual may be condemned to hell for what the individual does to God, Muslims believe an individual can be condemned to hell for what someone else does to the individual Muslim.

If I am incorrect, someone will need to offer reliable information contradicting me.

If I am correct, the previous paragraph shows Christianity as being spiritual, and Islam being of the flesh. This essentially means Islam is to be defeated by the physical means Islam provides for. Islam has provided the means for its own destruction.