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'Free to Lose' Isn't Good Philosophy for the Right Wing (Mark Steyn)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | November 19, 2006 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/19/2006 2:39:53 AM PST by Tom D.

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To: Fairview

As the saying goes, fools rush in where angels fear to tread. I think there are people with more perspective and sanguinity who do not see losing 15 seats in a legislature of 535 as a big deal. Then there are the chattering classes whose jaws have come unwired and seem to be flappping their gums to any and every tune this week. New direction will come from the national conversation engendered by the presidential election, not from post election cruises of pundits.


41 posted on 11/19/2006 7:23:04 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: maryz; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...
Thanks!

Steyn ping!


42 posted on 11/19/2006 7:43:20 AM PST by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: Traditional Vet
WHAT HAPPENED IN THESE PAST 5 YEARS??

IMHO, 5 years of relentless attacks, lies and contrived BS by the LSM (left-stream media) finally wore down W's self-confidence and resolve.

43 posted on 11/19/2006 7:48:13 AM PST by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: Tom D.
Steyn seems curiously pessimistic on the threshold of thanksgiving.

Why focus on the fumbles and follies of Iraq?
Many great gains have been had in the 2 short years since Saddam was deposed.
Free elections.
The writing and ratification of a democratically based constitution.
The formation of a sovereign government.
The Federalization of the Iraqi states.

Lets not forget that it took 11 long years to ratify our own constitution.
When everyone is given a voice it takes a long time to come to a consensus, but that is the way forward.
If the people are given a voice and they are afforded the opportunity to prosper by their own hand they will reject the yokes of tyrants.

Benevolent Dictators and Socialist Governments may be a river to their people, but the waters run shallow.
Freedom is a gift that runs deeply,even to our very souls.

Carry on Mr Bush. Carry on
44 posted on 11/19/2006 8:06:52 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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May I add the words of Theodore Roosevelt to the discussion?

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat." THEODORE ROOSEVELT (Paris Sorbonne,1910)

45 posted on 11/19/2006 8:20:45 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Tom D.

""Freedom is the desire of every human heart." Really? ... The story of the Western world since 1945 is that, invited to choose between freedom and government "security," large numbers of people vote to dump freedom -- the freedom to make your own decisions about health care, education, property rights, seat belts and a ton of other stuff."

Heh. If you say that on FR, be prepared to be called 'loosertarian' and 'libertine.' Mark has finally run up against the foamers.


46 posted on 11/19/2006 8:40:02 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Strategerist

Fundivangelists? LOL
Socon is so much more ... concise. You're right, though. The republican tent is looking as fractious as the democrat morass ever was.


47 posted on 11/19/2006 8:43:59 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: livius

"The only people we thoroughly defeated were the Germans"

Heh. Unfortunately, relying solely on Japanese histories of WWII provides less that a complete picture of the war's outcome.


48 posted on 11/19/2006 8:51:33 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Tom D.; Pokey78

Thanks for the post, Tom. Thanks for the ping Pokey!


49 posted on 11/19/2006 8:55:34 AM PST by UnklGene
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To: Uncle Ike

The president doesn't frame it like that, alas. Instead, he says stuff like: "Freedom is the desire of every human heart." Really? It's unclear whether that's the case in Gaza and the Sunni Triangle.

Part of the problem is too many people don't look at this (the Bush doctrine) in a long term way. come back in 20-30 years and see what this part of the world is like, because that's the time frame the President is looking at. Will this work? I seem to have misplaced my crystal ball so I can't say. This I do suspect it will be 2 steps forward 1 step back. What's the alternative? Nuking the area?
Can we start looking at the forest instead of the trees?


50 posted on 11/19/2006 9:18:53 AM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: Tom D.

Steyn may be conservatives' clearest visionary writer.


51 posted on 11/19/2006 9:24:42 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Strategerist
Fundivangelist Social Cons

Cute. But the implied insult will do nothing to motivate them to vote for Republican social liberals.

Social conservatives are key to any presidential election. No recent Republican candidate ever won by appealing to social liberals; no recent Democratic candidate ever won except by appealing to social conservatives.

52 posted on 11/19/2006 9:30:35 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Sound like Styne is loosing patience with the Prez."

- Maybe, and I agree with much of what he says, but when he thinks the biggest mistake that Bush made was five years ago when he proposed a seniors drug plan, Steyn lost me. I mean, Bush may have done a lot of things "wrong", but a prescription drug plan for seniors is on nobody's radar as the worst mistake ever made.
I believe that Bush's biggest mistake was in allowing the MSM to constantly portray the Iraqi war as a failure without devising an effective communication plan to counter it. When the White House lost the propaganda battle, it lost a great deal of it's 2006 mid term clout and may well have lost Iraq to the cut and runners.
53 posted on 11/19/2006 9:35:53 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Tom D.
Take, for example, Ward Connerly, whose Michigan ballot proposition against racial quotas was one of the few victories conservatives won on Election Day. (Needless to say, most GOP bigwigs, including washed-up gubernatorial loser Dick DeVos, opposed it.)

What has happened to the Republican Pary? If they want to be Dems they may as well change parties, because voters, when given a choice between Dems and Dems Lite, seem to opt for The Real Thing.

However, I support the Bush Doctrine on two grounds -- first, for "utopian" reasons: If the Middle East becomes a region of free states, it will have been the right thing to do and the option most consistent with American values (unlike the stability fetishists' preference for sticking with Mubarak, the House of Saud and the other thugs and autocrats). But, second, it also makes sense from a cynical realpolitik perspective: Promoting liberty and democracy, even if they ultimately fail, is still a good way of messing with the thugs' heads. It's one of the few real points of pressure America and its allies can bring to bear against rogue nations, and in the case of Iran, the one with the clearest shot at being effective. In other words, even if it ultimately flops, seriously promoting liberty and democracy could cause all kinds of headaches for the mullahs, Assad, Mubarak and the rest of the gang. However it turns out, it's the "realist" option.

EXACTLY!!!!

54 posted on 11/19/2006 9:45:39 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: maryz
Is it my imagination, or are Steyn's columns more and more, well, burdened, grave, sad lately?

I've noticed it too. Who wouldn't feel that way after recent elctoral events?

55 posted on 11/19/2006 9:47:00 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Qwinn
re: I really wish the people who live in unending fear of an impending theocracy would get a grip. )))

They fear nothing of the kind, and I'm not inclined to think these people are crazy. It's an imposture--they pretend this fear in order to express deed-seated disdain and resentment to their ultimate political demise. It's simple. They don't like the conservative religious. It's a childish thing, to reject an alliance out of simple dislike, but people don't invent terms like "Fundiangelist" for any other reason.

56 posted on 11/19/2006 9:53:04 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Qwinn

True in spades. Returning to freedom of religion as framed in the Bill of Rights hardly means theocracy. The problem is that most of the fundapaths confuse theocracy with a nationwide perception of right and wrong, good and evil.


57 posted on 11/19/2006 10:02:49 AM PST by Mach9 (.)
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To: maryz

<< .... are Steyn's columns more and more, well, burdened, grave, sad lately? >>

Yes.


58 posted on 11/19/2006 10:19:03 AM PST by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the ping to an unusually insightful analysis (well, not unusual for Steyn)


59 posted on 11/19/2006 10:29:13 AM PST by irv
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To: Tom D.
"What's really killed the Republican Party isn't spending, it's Iraq. As it happens, I was opposed to going into Iraq from the beginning. I think it was a mistake, for the simple reason that I do not believe the United States of America ought to be involved in aggression." - Milton Friedman. Quoted this past July,at: http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/07/that_devil_from.html

Apparently, Dr. Friedman opposed the Iraq war. I don't agree with Friedman on this issue, but Steyn - invoking Friedman's name on the Iraq war - should at least have been honest enough to acknowledge this fact.

60 posted on 11/19/2006 10:37:57 AM PST by freedomdefender
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