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ER Overload: Another cost of illegal immigrations
The New American ^ | November 14, 2006 | R Cort Kirkwood

Posted on 11/14/2006 11:26:50 AM PST by keepitreal

Jonathan Narvaez-Pena admitted to drinking 10-15 shots of tequila before getting into his Buick Park Avenue and speeding through the streets of Nashville on the night of October 21, 2006. Narvaez-Pena, an uninsured illegal alien with a prior arrest for driving without a license, ran numerous red lights before crashing into the Bumvu family's car. Antoine Bumvu, 43, and his two-year-old son, Eddy, were killed in the accident. Bumvu's wife, Josephine, and his six-month-old son, Tony, were seriously injured and taken to the hospital. Four other vehicles were involved in the crash and a total of 11 victims were taken to area hospitals, including Narvaez-Pena's two-year-old daughter, Hillary, who received massive facial trauma.

No amount of money can compensate the Bumvu family for the permanent loss of their loved ones. Nevertheless, taxpayers along with auto and medical insurance policy holders will end up being stuck with a hefty price tag for Narvaez-Pena's 11 victims. It is an all-too-common occurrence. According to Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), each day 13 Americans are killed by illegal aliens driving drunk. Many more are seriously, permanently injured

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Our healthcare system is being totally overloaded by illegal immigrants, not only as patients, but by those who drive drunk, killing and maiming innocent people. What price cheap labor??
1 posted on 11/14/2006 11:26:51 AM PST by keepitreal
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To: keepitreal

each day 13 Americans are killed by illegal aliens driving drunk. Many more are seriously, permanently injured
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What more can be said?


2 posted on 11/14/2006 11:28:44 AM PST by MrRights
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To: MrRights

that's more per day than what happens in Iraq! Hmmm...


3 posted on 11/14/2006 11:29:56 AM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


4 posted on 11/14/2006 11:30:33 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: keepitreal

Seen any Mexican 18-wheelers running down the highways lately? The ones that don't have the same regulations ensuring their safety that American truckers have?

That's cheap, and deadly labor too.


5 posted on 11/14/2006 11:30:50 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler
Bush put a lot more effort into getting Mexican 18-wheelers on the highways of America than he ever did promoting Social Security reform. He started on that project as soon as he got into office, and it took years of his time and effort.
6 posted on 11/14/2006 11:33:37 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: keepitreal

And of course, the 'Rats and RINOs response is taxpayer-funded universal health care and amnesty for illegal immigrants. Some even want taxpayer-funded college education (see the DREAM Act proposal) that would give preferred "financial aid" to illegals over American citizens and legal immigrants.

We are telling the world that we punish good, law abiding citizens and LEGAL immigrants while simultaneously rewarding and encouraging law breakers (regardless of nationality).

How do we pay for this? Higher taxes, higher interest rates, and a lower quality of life...and a worldwide perception of American weakness and decay that gives terrorists all over a green light to attack us.

This is the price of "cheap" labor. Cheap in the short run but devastatingly expensive in the long run.


7 posted on 11/14/2006 11:39:10 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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To: Mamzelle

Bush put a lot more effort into getting Mexican 18-wheelers on the highways of America than he ever did promoting Social Security reform. He started on that project as soon as he got into office, and it took years of his time and effort.
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We are painfully aware of his priorities. The North American Union, an amnesty for illegals, keeping the borders OPEN, his ardent efforts to get CAFTA passed, etc, etc, etc. It all ties together as anyone can see.


8 posted on 11/14/2006 11:39:20 AM PST by EagleUSA (T)
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To: keepitreal
More Americans are killed per day by illegal immigrants that are lost in Iraq in a week...
9 posted on 11/14/2006 11:41:16 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: keepitreal
I shudder to think what the numbers are going to look like ten years from now.

You have to wonder how long this can go on for before there's a danger of some sort of violent backlash.

10 posted on 11/14/2006 11:43:57 AM PST by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: keepitreal; Dane
Antoine Bumvu, 43, and his two-year-old son, Eddy, were killed in the accident. Bumvu's wife, Josephine, and his six-month-old son, Tony, were seriously injured and taken to the hospital. Four other vehicles were involved in the crash and a total of 11 victims were taken to area hospitals, including Narvaez-Pena's two-year-old daughter, Hillary, who received massive facial trauma.

...Nevertheless, taxpayers along with auto and medical insurance policy holders will end up being stuck with a hefty price tag for Narvaez-Pena's 11 victims. It is an all-too-common occurrence. According to Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), each day 13 Americans are killed by illegal aliens driving drunk.



Hey Dane, here's some more inconvenient facts for your consumption.

Still in love with illegal aliens?
11 posted on 11/14/2006 11:44:11 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: keepitreal
I found it interesting..during the campaign, the republican candidate who ran against Feinstein here in SoCal ran a radio ad claiming that more Americans have been killed by drunken illegal aliens since Sept. 11, 2001, than died in both the 9-11-01 attacks and the Iraq war combined.
12 posted on 11/14/2006 11:45:03 AM PST by SoCalHobbit
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To: SFC Chromey; MrRights; Spiff; All

According to the sources below we lose more Americans EVERY YEAR by the hands of illegal aliens than we lost on 9/11. Lots of crimes here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623720/posts

May 1st Protest - "Bite the hand that feeds you" Day What would that May 1st look like without illegal immigration? There would be no one to smuggle across our southern border the heroin, marijuana, cocaine, and methamphetamines that plague the United States, reducing the U.S. supply of meth that day by 80%. The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals. Our hospital emergency rooms would not be flooded with everything from gunshot wounds, to anchor babies, to imported diseases to hangnails, giving American citizens the day off from standing in line behind illegals. Eight American children would not suffer the horror as a victim of a sex crime.

On the negative side, the price of a pound of tomatoes might go up from $0.79 to $0.80. That is unless you have a garden. But I'm guessing that the Mexican drug lords are not taking May 1st off. Neither will the 11,000 illegal invaders that pour over our border every other day of the year. It is a safe bet that the U.S. Border Patrol will have a very busy "Nothing Gringo Day."

Since September 11th, it remains true that OBL is the greatest threat to America. I will leave it to the reader to decide if the greatest threat is Osama bin Laden or the Open Borders Lobby. The emerging cheap labor "ruling class" in America is the strongest supporter of amnesty for illegals. Their anti-American "new servant class" has chosen to boycott them; the very definition of irony. On May 1st, Primero de Mayo, Americans will observe, as illegal immigrants celebrate, "Bite the Hand That Feeds You Day." http://www.kingforcongress.com/clippings/desk-immigration4-06.htm

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http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10663 While the murder rate among illegal aliens in America is unknown, we do have fair estimates of how many illegal migrants are here, and what countries they came from. The murder rates in most of these countries are known and published by the United Nations (which means the figures must be correct). If one then simply assumes that each nationality of alien commits murder at the same rate in America as it would in its homeland, it is then possible to arrive at an estimate of the probable rate of murder by illegal aliens in America.

Put more plainly, I assumed that 3,871,912 Mexicans in America kill at the same rate as 3,871,912 Mexicans in Mexico, then did the same for 336,717 Salvadorans, 77,000 Brazilians, 226,886 Chinese and 39 other categories of illegal alien—as totaled in a Census Bureau estimate of the illegal alien population in 2000. The report’s total figure was that 8.7 million illegal aliens are in our country. It should be noted that this estimate would be considered low by many sources. But I tried to be as conservative as possible with all figures. My estimate is therefore low, I believe.

Using the above method, I estimated that illegal aliens kill 1,480 people in America every year. This assumes that the 8.7 million illegal aliens in America have a population age structure and a sex ratio similar to that of their homelands. Most murders are committed by young males. If the illegal population in America is skewed toward young males, as most believe, the murder total is actually much higher. Comparing the age structure of the population of illegal aliens that applied for amnesty during the Reagan administration (according a GAO report) to the current age structure of the population of Mexico (according to the US Census Bureau), I found that people aged 22 to 45 years old were overrepresented in the amnesty pool. Adjusting the murder rate using FBI homicide perpetrator age-cohort information for the United States (see why you need to pay attention in math class, kids?), the total is more likely to be 1,806 murders per year.

Given that 16,528 murders were committed in the entire United States in 2004, this estimate—if correct—would mean that illegal aliens (3% of the population in the Census Bureau Estimate used in this analysis) commit between 11% and 15% of all the murders in the United States each year. The murder rate for the illegal alien population in this model, 20 to 29 homicides per year per 100,000 persons, would thus be 400% to 500% the rate of the combined native-born and legal immigrant populations.

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From Mike Cutler, former INS agent who testifies before congress on immigration

"It is currently estimated that some 30% of the federal inmate population is comprised of convicts who are identified as being "foreign born." When I was assigned to the Unified Intelligence Division of DEA in New York from 1988 to 1992 I compiled statistics concerning the nature of the defendants who were arrested by DEA and the DEA Task Force in New York. It was estimated that some 60% of the defendants arrested in New York City were identified as being "foreign born" while 30% of the defendants arrested nationwide were identified as being "foreign born." Those numbers remained constant for several years afterwards and I believe they would not be much different today.

Additionally, I have heard that some 90% of the arrest warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for aliens. I believe that it would not be hard to show that more than 3,000 murders per year can be attributed to illegal aliens in our country."

And the Border Patrol

http://www.usborderpatrol.com/borderframe87.htm

TODAY, we have nearly 11,000 criminals invading our country each and every night and the murder rate from them is over 18 dead each day and nothing is done. And again, these millions of people flooding our southern border -- 11,000 a night -- are now being supported, and even funded, by al Qaeda and the Mexican drug cartels. Crime is rampant throughout all of the countries south of our border. The murder rate for Mexico -- in Mexico -- is about 18 dead per 100,000. Yes, that is 18,000 people murdered every year inside Mexico -- a country with a 100 million population. The murder rate for the USA is about 4 per 100,000 -- a country with about 300 million people. So, yes, Mexico kills as more people than we do but they have one third the population so that really does mean that their citizens kill at a rate that is more than three times that of the people in the United States. Certainly, not everyone in Mexico is a murderer. But there is one truth to murder everywhere on earth: Almost all murderers anywhere on earth are males between the ages of 15 and 34. And this is where things get very interesting. About 98 of every 100 illegals crossing our border are Mexican males between the ages of 15 and 34.

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Lots of good, old info here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1067401/posts?page=168,8 Rough Ride - Protect Our Border's - Fight Illegal Immigration {{{Ongoing Thread}}} and

www.immigrationshumancost.org


13 posted on 11/14/2006 11:48:23 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: keepitreal

I will attempt to dance around P.C. here.
I've seen a lot of drunks. Some groups have an amazing ability to stay on their feet, and move around full of alcohol, long after a run of the mill drunk would be comatose, and harmless. You can look in their eyes and see no intelligence there, but damned if they don't keep on moving.


14 posted on 11/14/2006 11:56:42 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: girlangler

See a bunch down in West Texas.Easy to spot.They are the ones with the spray can paint job.


15 posted on 11/14/2006 11:58:40 AM PST by xarmydog
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To: keepitreal

13 Americans murdered every day by illegals. But hey, at least every lazy-*ssed teenager in the USA no longer has to mow the lawn.


16 posted on 11/14/2006 12:02:20 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: keepitreal

bump for publicity


17 posted on 11/14/2006 12:03:54 PM PST by VOA
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To: keepitreal
"Screech! Racism!"
18 posted on 11/14/2006 12:04:31 PM PST by pabianice
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To: keepitreal

The best description of what I feel more and more on this issue is total, unbridled RAGE at those who have perpetrated what will surely be the destruction of America as I knew it as a child back in the 40s and 50s. My grandkids will live in a third world hellhole (think Mexico OUTSIDE places like Cancun and the "sanitized" resorts there.

Time for the pitchforks, a few hundred rails, some tar and some feathers?

You bet!

My niece is an OB/GYN who took her pre-med at HAAAAVVAAAAADDD! Needless to say, she emerged from that experience a FLAMING, BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL.

Upon completing her medical training at yet another liberal university, she interned at a hospital near the border in San Diego.

It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours in a row with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.

Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those babies who, under the current -- and ERRONEOUS -- interpretation of the 14th Amendment were IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land -- could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported . And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.

Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don't cover went back to the taxpayers.
And since my niece was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.

And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, she’s is today a LOOONNNNG way from Haaaavaaaaaad.

And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.

Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1967, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be shuffled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.

Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1967, especially for a guy just out of the USAF.

As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. Given the move to socialism here, it probably will never be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has -- NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.

Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.

It’s time we stopped paying for those who were not.







19 posted on 11/14/2006 12:07:21 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: 2banana
More Americans are killed per day by illegal immigrants that are lost in Iraq in a week

I'd love to see those stats - are they kept anywhere ???

20 posted on 11/14/2006 12:18:55 PM PST by 11th_VA
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