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Speculation: Microsoft will probably start selling/distributing linux soon
royans.net ^ | Nov 13, 2006 | royans.net

Posted on 11/13/2006 1:51:43 PM PST by bigdcaldavis

Anyone can tell you an interesting story, but when it comes to Microsoft and Novell’s recent deal Linux enthusiasts around the world have more than a couple up their sleeves.

Microsoft has a long history at killing competition. They started with Novell’s Server market, they tried to do with Java, and today they are trying to do it against the Anti-Virus vendors. They succeeded against Netscape, gained significant grounds against Sony’s Playstation, and killed a thousand other products that I can’t name because I forgot about them after Microsoft obliterated them out of the market. If any of you are XBox lovers, I don’t have to tell you that in the war over consoles Microsoft has been losing money on every XBox it sells. Zune (the competition to iPod) is said to have a similar strategy. In short Microsoft has a huge bank balance and can pump in a lot of money until the competition goes bankrupt.

As a result of this announcement its not a surprise that the Linux world is almost up in arms against Novell for giving in for a few pieces of silver. I on the other hand have a different prespective on it.

* Microsoft isn’t interested in suing anyone (anytime soon atleast) because of its Vista launch schedule and the tricky negotiations going on in Europe * SCO has already tried the same FUD which Microsoft is accused of trying. In fact if you remember Microsoft had “licensed” SCO unix in a similar deal which was indirectly used to fund SCO’s battle against IBM/Linux * Most of the other visible products Microsoft has went after till now have been markets where Microsoft didn’t really have a foothold. Linux is one of the very few unique products which started up as a competitor to Microsoft has has gradually increased in popularity over the years. [Firefox/Mozilla is the other one which I admire] * The other interesting point to note is that unlike most other commercial vendors who got nailed by Microsoft’s pump and dump strategy, Linux is not a commercial entity which can go bankrupt. They can kill Novell, but it will be very hard for them to kill the whole linux movement.

My personal analysis is that Microsoft is afraid.

* Its so afraid of loosing this battle that in its moment of desperation its ready to do anything short of launching a Microsoft branded Linux distribution. * The Financial deal Microsoft and Novell signed has a few hints of where this might be heading. * To begin with its clear both of them want to integrate each others OS using each others technology to provide a better virtualization experience. * Its also clear that though Novell might use significant portions of proprietary Microsoft technology (for example for authentication, authorization and accounting) Microsoft will mostly be using GNU code to which Novell doesn’t have any rights anyway. * So why is Microsoft paying Novell ? * And what’s the deal with 240 million dollars for linux license subscription cost ? What is it going to do with that many copies of linux distribution ? * Oh wait, they could embed it into your Microsoft operating system ? Have you ever thought which distribution of Linux you would use if your Microsoft OS copy you already have, has a Linux distribution pre-bundled with it? * Novell also mentions that it will pay Microsoft a minimum amount of licensing fees, which can increase depending on its own sales. So may be it will sell Windows as well… who knows. But it will sell something with at least some part of Microsoft code in it. * Finally based on my personal opinion (with no understanding of financial details) it almost looks like Microsoft has kind of bought a share of Novell’s company and wants a piece of the action every year. * May be Microsoft is going to announce something even much more significant which will dramatically increase Novell’s sales. May be Novell is an investment after all… not just a pump-and-dump target.

My thought process finally took me to the one place I didn’t want to go… Its the thought that Microsoft will soon bundle Suse linux with one of its own products.

Coming back to the discussion on whether we should abandon Suse or not, I personally think it doesn’t matter as long as Microsoft is not trying to kill it. Stop acting like a 5 year old kid who doesn’t like the big guys. If anything, you should be excited about more commercial support behind your favourite OS. And if they really do bundle Suse with every Desktop/Server OS thats exactly what I wanted when I joined the revolution. Linux on every desktop… I have said this before, and I’ll continue to say it that I’m not opposed to Microsoft Linux as long as others can innovate and keep Microsoft on its toes.


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Get ready for Microsoft to announce an actual/staged acquisition of Linspire (I say "staged" because of persistant rumors that Linspire is secretly owned by Microsoft) and abandoning Windows XP/Vista in favor of.....get ready.....Microsoft LindowsOS. :)
1 posted on 11/13/2006 1:51:46 PM PST by bigdcaldavis
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To: bigdcaldavis

Attn: Mr. Gates. Nothing is forever.


2 posted on 11/13/2006 1:55:35 PM PST by EagleUSA (T)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Gates knows never to bet on just one horse


3 posted on 11/13/2006 1:59:28 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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(I say "staged" because of persistant rumors that Linspire is secretly owned by Microsoft)

Then how did Microsoft sue itself? They sued Lindows.

4 posted on 11/13/2006 2:01:33 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: bigdcaldavis

On what basis can you say that Microsoft owns Linspire? They were suing the former Lindows all over the place. With the Novell/SuSE intrigue, they are going after bigger fish. My guess is that they want a pirce of IBM's and Red Hat's action, or at very least to make themselves more indispensible.


5 posted on 11/13/2006 2:02:06 PM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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I use Ubuntu Linux and PC BSD. Microsoft has no place in this house.

Nor will any Microsoft distro.

Regards, Ivan

6 posted on 11/13/2006 2:02:17 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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Then how did Microsoft sue itself? They sued Lindows.

It's part of the grand scheme. Duh! /s

7 posted on 11/13/2006 2:03:18 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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I didn't say Microsoft owned Linspire. I said there were RUMORS that Microsoft owned Linspire "in secret".

Of course rumors are like a**holes...now sure how, but...


8 posted on 11/13/2006 2:05:49 PM PST by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: MadIvan

What's the secret for having Ubuntu detect your wifi card?

I just loaded the latest MEPIS (80% of Ubuntu) and I can't get the little green light to even turn on on the back of the WIFI card?


9 posted on 11/13/2006 2:07:11 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: MadIvan

The way to beat the big monopoly is simple. Download free Ubuntu. Next install the software Wine. Then one can run many windows programs within linux. Cost - zero. Value - priceless!


10 posted on 11/13/2006 2:07:30 PM PST by gb63
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What kind of wifi card do you have?

Regards, Ivan

11 posted on 11/13/2006 2:07:51 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Well, Lindows was a start-up company...but maybe, JUST maybe, Microsoft bought Lindows (the company) in secret and changed its name to Linspire and put out a phony press release which made it look like Microsoft paid them to change their name. :)


12 posted on 11/13/2006 2:08:33 PM PST by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: MadIvan
d-link (if I remember correctly)
13 posted on 11/13/2006 2:09:49 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: bigdcaldavis

14 posted on 11/13/2006 2:10:23 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (`)
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Try
http://www.mepis.org/forum


15 posted on 11/13/2006 2:10:39 PM PST by gb63
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You have to give me the model number, then I can help you. If there is no native Linux driver, you need to use ndiswrapper.

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 11/13/2006 2:11:32 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: bigdcaldavis

Microsoft realizes that Linux uptake is growing very fast and has a huge presence in the server business. With a deal like this they can produce a tight VM setup using both Windows and Linux, and sell that to customers using the vouchers they bought. If that increases SUSE visibility and creates more demand, then Novell itself may sell more SUSE separately, and Microsoft gets a chunk of that according to the deal.

Removing all vestiges of the tin foil hat, and ignoring previous Microsoft predatory practices, this could be a win-win. Microsoft gets some Linux money, Linux gets even more validation in the corporate world, and Linux and Windows operate better together.


17 posted on 11/13/2006 2:12:03 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: taxed2death

A lttle closer look at Dlink:
http://www.mepis.org/node/10666


18 posted on 11/13/2006 2:13:57 PM PST by gb63
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To: MadIvan
I use Ubuntu Linux and PC BSD. Microsoft has no place in this house.

Microsoft's just about everywhere in my house except the Linux box (about to go from SuSe to Ubuntu) and the PDA (Debian). But it's all Win98 plus one Win2K.

19 posted on 11/13/2006 2:15:02 PM PST by sionnsar (?trad-anglican.faithweb.com?|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: taxed2death
Do you have a Broadcom card? If so, here are some links.

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291088&highlight=broadcom+4306

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=284746&highlight=broadcom+4306

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201902
20 posted on 11/13/2006 2:15:26 PM PST by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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