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Church of England says right to life for newborns not absolute: report
Yahoo News & AFP ^ | November 11, 2006

Posted on 11/12/2006 6:06:35 AM PST by NYer

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To: CindyDawg
I'm more aware of the youth who do not vote and who are completely disengaged with the ways government affects everything they do, or will wish to do in the future.

When several co-workers complained and pitched a fit over various issues of late, they came clean and admitted they weren't registered, nor did they care to. They would rather complain than make any effort to make their opinions heard. They were just too busy with their lives to even try. They were unaware they could even register by mail. Needless to say, they weren't happy when I told them they were as big a problem as the al-queda/Taliban whacks that are intent on destrying us all. Nor did they appreciate it when I told them that if they were going to remain stupid, it was best they not register or participate.

There is a large pool of idiocy in the nation. It is easily manipulated. It is swayed by any breeze that is pleasing. It is our legacy.

81 posted on 11/12/2006 7:25:09 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: NYer

<< (Tiny Blair and the other, some even posing as bishops, priests and as other clergy, fascissocialist heirs and successors of those who once saw to the sanctity of what used to be) The (Holy, Catholic and Apostolic) Church of England believe doctors should be given the right to withhold treatment from some seriously disabled newborn babies .... >>

Post-Christian, once great, now groveling, britain, in which Brussels, Strasbourg and Sharia trump even common sense and basic decency -- and not to even mention, God's Law -- is doomed.

Dissolute, decadent, degenerate, dead -- doomed!


82 posted on 11/12/2006 10:06:36 PM PST by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: marshmallow

The Church of England is a dead horse. It is time for Anglicans to dismount.


83 posted on 11/12/2006 10:25:25 PM PST by Maeve
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To: NYer

"wrong color eyes...Doctor, kill it."


84 posted on 11/12/2006 11:12:42 PM PST by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: Nightshift; 8mmMauser

ping...


85 posted on 11/13/2006 6:08:46 AM PST by tutstar
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To: NYer
More words of wisdom from the formerly Christian Church of England.

Sigh!

86 posted on 11/13/2006 6:10:03 AM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: gilor
"wrong color eyes...Doctor, kill it."

You jest but recently, in England, a woman aborted her child because he had a mild cleft lip.

87 posted on 11/13/2006 8:05:53 AM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer
God acts in extraordinary ways to teach us lessons about life. Each life is unique, precious and priceless. We must never abandon hope, regardless of the cost of this care. I know of another couple whose child was prematurely born and now struggles through life but she succeeds! Ask anyone of these families if they would have aborted or insisted on the removal of life support for their children and the answer would be an equivocal 'no'. Life is precious from conception until natural death. It is not up to us to interfere, but to learn from it.

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Eloquently said.

88 posted on 11/13/2006 8:11:11 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
"Yes! I understand. In November 2004, a couple from my parish gave birth to their first child .."

Thanks for that poignant story. Sadly, in my experience, most of the children in this situation do not have a parent or grandparent that can make decisions in a loving & responsible way. So it is left to society to deal with them; always a bad scenario. Actually, taking care of these kids is easy. Healing the family in this society is the challenge.
89 posted on 11/13/2006 10:11:47 AM PST by outofstyle
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To: Lunatic Fringe; adiaireton8; livius
"I know the family, and the doctor. He is a good man, and a faithful Christian. This baby was dead before it was born. The doctor was trying to spare it and the family needless suffering."

I'm not clear here on what you're talking about. If the baby was dead, then it's a miscarriage, and removing a dead fetus is not abortion. If the baby was alive, then killing it was murder.

Nobody has a right to kill someone else in order to avoid suffering. If that were the case, we would all be dead, for we have all suffered and we have all caused suffering. Dealing with suffering patiently and creatively --- and not destructively --- is how we grow in humanity.

90 posted on 11/13/2006 9:17:13 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Severe handicap does not call into question the baby's humanity, but our own.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Nobody has a right to kill someone else in order to avoid suffering.

OK... let's remove your brain and leave you on a feeding tube for the rest of your life.

Nature killed this baby. It had no brain and was therefore only "alive" like an amoeba or bacteria strain is alive. The humane thing to do for everyone, family AND baby, would have been to abort it.

91 posted on 11/13/2006 9:25:03 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: NYer; tutstar
Pinged from Terri NOVEMBER Dailies

8mm


92 posted on 11/14/2006 4:44:28 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: Lunatic Fringe; Aquinasfan; livius

If a baby is born without a brain, it will not live long in the natural course of things. There is no reason to commit murder.

There is also no obligation to impose surgery, ventilator, etc. upon a dying baby, or to prolong that death with an array of wires, tubes and pumps. You give ordinary care ---the warmth, the diaper, the nipple, the holding --- for the hours or days that life remains.

My Aunt Frances gave birth to an anencephalic baby, Anneliese. She and her husband and the baby's brother held and loved Anneiliese, who died before the week was out. They loved her as a daughter and sister. They did not butcher her and have her incinerated. They honored her humanity, and their own.


93 posted on 11/14/2006 6:38:54 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God)
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To: CindyDawg

God needs to be the One who decides when the end of each human life will be. We, with our finite minds, cannot get up high enough to see the tapestry that God is creating with all of the threads of each human's life. We cannot see how the threads intertwine or what other threads are touched by the tiny thread of a premature baby. God sees all the threads and He is creating the picture. The other issue is that there is purpose in human suffering. We do not always see the purpose but again, we are looking at it from a finite perspective. The growth of humans happens through pain and suffering. God knows this and allows humans to suffer. Look at the amount of suffering Jesus had to endure to redeem us from our sin. Do we really think that we, as humans, should be spared from suffering?
Another point to consider is that the medical profession has made tremendous progress in treating these "severely premature" babies. The truth is that there are not any good predictors of which ones will live or die and which ones will be disabled and which ones will be perfectly "normal". Neonatologists have seen too many of these babies "beat the odds" and turn out just fine. The last point is that we need to see the financial "cost" of caring for these premature babies (and the elderly) in perspective. In the US last year, we as a population, spent 3 times as much on soda as it cost to care for these babies ($20 billion on the babies, >$60 billion on soda). When we look at the financial cost we need to look at the priorities we place on how we spend our resources. I don't think people really believe that the care of premature babies is less important than soda. But when we discuss the financial impact of the health care decisions we make, we need to look at how much money we are spending on other things in our world and ask ourselves what our priorities for our resources really are.


94 posted on 11/14/2006 12:38:40 PM PST by bhelie ("In God We Trust")
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