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Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance
Reuters ^ | 11-10-2006 | Reuters

Posted on 11/10/2006 8:44:34 AM PST by FreedomNeocon

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.

The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.

"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

"The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would attend every board meeting to salute the flag.

The move was lead by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and government at their school. One student trustee voted against the measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus meetings.

The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door open for another challenge.

"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

Bell said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.

Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District, said her office had no standing on the student board and took no position on the flag salute ban.

"If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they do," she said.

More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.


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KEYWORDS: ban; california; commies; fruitsandnuts; liberalism; lll; pledge; pledgeofallegiance
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How cute...

I'm sure glad we'll have Poloci and Reid and Murtha, and Kennedy, and Kerry, and McGovern and all running the show to put an end to stuff like that...

1 posted on 11/10/2006 8:44:36 AM PST by FreedomNeocon
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To: FreedomNeocon

Immediately end all taxpayer funding of this college. Really. Do it now.


2 posted on 11/10/2006 8:45:41 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: FreedomNeocon
I'm sure glad we'll have Poloci and Reid and Murtha, and Kennedy, and Kerry, and McGovern and all running the show to put an end to stuff like that...

I hope they do. Truly.

3 posted on 11/10/2006 8:46:09 AM PST by Steely Tom
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To: TChris

That's what I was thinking.


4 posted on 11/10/2006 8:46:42 AM PST by The Blitherer (In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

There's your future America. Be proud.


5 posted on 11/10/2006 8:46:56 AM PST by L98Fiero (Libertarian = Scapegoat)
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To: Steely Tom

Yes...stop the funding and their student loans...


6 posted on 11/10/2006 8:47:07 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: FreedomNeocon

--the Brits that felt this way in the '30's mostly got to die in WW2--


7 posted on 11/10/2006 8:47:32 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Why do these students want to offend me so much? Did I do something to them?


8 posted on 11/10/2006 8:48:02 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: FreedomNeocon

there you go.. showing true colors as soon as they feel safely in power.


9 posted on 11/10/2006 8:48:06 AM PST by Cinnamon
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To: FreedomNeocon
Spoiled, irresponsible, unprincipled, ignorant brats.
10 posted on 11/10/2006 8:48:19 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: TChris

Immediately end all taxpayer funding of this college. Really. Do it now."""

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!


11 posted on 11/10/2006 8:49:12 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: TChris

I agree - end all taxpayer funding immediately.

I do have to say, the quote from one of the idiot radicals is correct - the government should never forget that loyalty is earned - that is the fundamental concept of the social compact.

On this Veteran's Day I can't help but think in sadness of the comparison between how these folks treat the flag vs. how our soldier on Iwo treated it.


12 posted on 11/10/2006 8:49:17 AM PST by linear (Hawking radiation notwithstanding, its usually best to keep your elephant away from black holes.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

These must be the offspring of the hippies who threw baggies full of s*** at me when I got home from Vietnam.


13 posted on 11/10/2006 8:49:23 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

This is exactly the kind of attitude that will allow terrorists to operate freely in the U.S.


14 posted on 11/10/2006 8:49:23 AM PST by ArnieJohnson
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To: ArnieJohnson
This is exactly the kind of attitude that will allow terrorists to operate freely in the U.S.

Remember, 31,000,000 AINOs voted to do just that.

15 posted on 11/10/2006 8:50:19 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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The one thing I hated most about college was watching the feckless and moronic student politicians wasting all those student fees I was forced to pay. I've never seen a bigger bunch of self-important dolts in my life.

Sure, there's no reason for them to swear allegiance and there's also no reason for me to stop and help them when they're being mugged by those "disadvantaged" people they love so much.
16 posted on 11/10/2006 8:50:22 AM PST by Seruzawa (Marx never could compete with the Sears catalog.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Stop all tax payer money from going to this school. Stop all student loans. They are racist and anti-American and the American tax payer is paying for their racist attitude.


17 posted on 11/10/2006 8:50:22 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
These must be the offspring of the hippies who threw baggies full of s*** at me when I got home from Vietnam.

But wait! That has to be a myth, since the MSM said it never really happened. </bitter sarcasm>

18 posted on 11/10/2006 8:51:15 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Who cares anymore I hope they all get STDs.
California can burn to the ground.


19 posted on 11/10/2006 8:51:19 AM PST by claptrap (optional tag-line under reconsideration)
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"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

They can't take America and Patriotism away from you Christine, but you can take your tuition money away from them and go elsewhere.

20 posted on 11/10/2006 8:51:35 AM PST by Last Laugh
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