What Republicans need to learn from tonight...

11/07/06 | Philistone

[Philistone]

The most important thing that Republicans should learn from tonight is that America is a representative democracy.

This does NOT mean that your congress critter shares ALL your beliefs, or that he is a perfect human being, but rather that, in general, he votes the way you want him to.

It's like hiring a lawyer. You may despise his personal life and his principles, but what is important is that he WINS YOUR CASE.

Democraps could care less about the morals of their elected officials as long as they win.

Republicans could learn a lesson here...

[TigersEye]

The President could easily cut through the MSM crap by going on the offensive. He needs to introduce info that is a flat out repudiation of the MSM BS. Talk about successes. Show successes. IOWs run his own propaganda machine that forces the MSM to prove what they say. As it is they just show what they want and say "we're losing" and there's no rebuttal apart from "no we're not."

[television is just wrong]

democracy, MOB RULE

republic, representative form of government.

[fatez]

Look at Tigerseye's post on 295, that is what I meant, I think he might have stated it a little better, you keep talking to the radio heads to make the libs respond to what is being discussed. Reagan did it without the benefit of the Internet or talk radio. Bush could have also.

[television is just wrong]

democracy is mob rule.

[TigersEye]

I think he should have been doing that all along. Not just to electioneer. And he doesn't have to depend on talk-radio or TV pundits to put him on he can just call a press conference or issue a press release. With video. Although if he went on Rush or Hannity regularly with bombshells of successes he would then get big airtime on the MSM opposition press.

They might spend most of their energy trying to disprove his reports but they's then have to work at it. They would have to rebut specific stories rather than just plop out, like their daily BM, whatever negative video they have on hand .

[fatez]

I thought we should have partitioned a long time ago. The Brits and the French screwed this one up long ago. Kurdistan was to be it's own nation and they were betrayed by the Brits and the French. Iraq is an artificial country that will continue to have ethnic and sectarian violence. The neo-cons in my opinion were very ignorant of the hatred between the groups.

Twenty million Kurds between Turkey, Iran and Iraq. We could have a permanent ally for the next 50 years, but we are afraid of change. Our policy in the Middle East is ran be the State Department that does not want to piss off the Turks. The cold war is over and the Turks are going militant Islamic over time. No permanent allies, just interests. The Kurds would be grateful for a long time.

I thought Bush the elder should have done this back during the first gulf war, but he had no vision either.

[fatez]

Yep, you are right.

The point is, Bush didn't really try nor his team. My close relative says the upper and lower brass in the military just don't get it. Why would you not try to salvage the war, why would you not tell the American public regularily what you are doing and why. It's not Rumsfeld who they are shaking their heads about but Bush and Rove.

[TigersEye]

One thing we all have to come to terms with is the fact that way more than half of the electorate are idiots. Truly.

We have to bring them along and to do that we have to realize that they are basically retards. You can't badger a retard into following you or preach to them with high-minded complex arguments. You need to show them your heart is good and then persuade them with basic common sense.

It's only after they come to see for themselves that "hey, dose liberals are mean and stupid" that you can start laying on the hard logic.

[TigersEye]

You may be right about the Kurds. I can't see dividing the rest of Iraq though.

He needs to stop walking softly with the press and hit them with a big stick. Repeatedly!

[fatez]

Looks like we lost the Senate. Time to go to bed. It was nice chatting with you.

Talk to ya later on Freeper Land!!!

[CGTRWK]

There is a small, but significant amount, of selfish, cut and run, short term thinking idiots who call themselves conservatives (and at least one big whiner is on the radio) that would rather put their country at dire risk by getting Dims elected by their actions.

Taking the Virginia Senate race as a good example of how badly things went tonight, compare the 2004 and 2006 exit polls.

Registered Republicans composed 39% of voters in both elections. 95% of them voted for Bush in 2004 and 93% for George Allen today.

Self described conservatives made up 38% of voters in 2004 and 36% today, and broke for Allen even more heavily than they had for Bush - 85% for Bush, 87% for Allen.

Registered Independents composed 26% of voters in both elections. In 2004, they favored Bush by 10 - today, they favored Webb by 9. A quarter of the electorate swung 20 points in 2 years. That's huge.

I looked up Missouri and the numbers are just about the same. More self described conservatives turned out, they broke for the Republican even more strongly than in 2004, and it didn't matter because moderates swung 22 points towards the Dem.

It looks to me like when it came down to it, the turnout machine worked, conservative voters held their noses and held up their end of the deal pretty damn well. But swing voters don't owe Republicans anything. They don't agree with us on every issue, or necessarily even most of the issues, so the threat of Democrats winning doesn't scare them. Give them sleazy politics as usual without an overriding message to vote for and they will vote for someone else. We did, they did, and let no one say they didn't see this coming years ago.

[TigersEye]

I'm off too. Good to talk with you. I don't really want to BBQ your llama either. We'll get some cow for us and a flake of hay for him. And some beer for everybody! lol

[TigersEye]

Thanks for posting that. I was wondering how all the pundits here claiming that "cut-and-run" conservatives betrayed us knew who voted. Obviously they didn't. I also suspected that it was the squishy middle that flaked off. I'm betting some are just fiscal conservatives who aren't that tight with right-wing social issues. The Pubbies pissed on them. The rest were probably half-hearted conservatives who don't have a clue about radical Islam.

Retards.

[Cricket24]

I still haven't gone through the whole voting register but we are a small township and we only have 443 registered to vote. Maybe 15 % are registered dems, the rest are Republicans and independents. The Republicans jumped ship and voted democrat!
We had 289 people vote...120 of them voted democrat. I have to admit I am stumped. I don't see what these people see. The country is already headed in the right direction...the only place to go now is down.
I have to admit that I am scared at what is going to happen. I have never felt like this before.

[Paige]

You Think?

[Russ]

I was using the present tense. Yes I remember. I know you must be frustrated but why take it out on me??

[sasafras]

"Define the top 3 conservative values/issues that will win
us 2008."

The Border
The Iraq War
Taxes

(Close 4th is tying Pelosi - like they did with Bush to all democrats. Show her for what she is, the values that she hold near and dear. Put her face on the screen with all democrats showing the special interests groups that give money to her and the party)

[smokeyb]

I was using the present tense. Yes I remember. I know you must be frustrated but why take it out on me??

I am not frustrated nor am I taking anything out on you. I was arguing your point that conservatives can't win in PA. and maybe if Santorum acted on his so-called conservatism he might have won. Santorum ran on conservative platform and won before. He lost last night. Who changed? Him or the whole electorate of PA?

[servantboy777]

yea your probably right, I'm just counting on the Dem's to do the "eat your own" primary process their so good at.

Entertaining if nothing else.

[JIM O]

The only lesson I learned can be shown by looking at the state of RI. Patrick Kennedy left the clinic to campaign and was reelected even though he is an habitual drug addict and alcoholic.

Lincoln Chaffe who sold his soul to get reelected could not do it because he had a R (in name only) next to his name.

Democrats and Republicans committed to a war in Iraq, we lost many great young men and woman based on that vote to fight for our cause, but we changed our mind and now want a new direction.

I suspect we will be attacked again, and I suspect we will have a large patriotic surge again, and I know we will once again change our mind. I just hope next time we reverse direction before we ask our brave young people to fight a war that we really don't believe in. When history is finally written I know everyone will finally realize we needed to finish this war, and the "new direction" the majority of Americans voted for last night was a fatal mistake. I suspect the next time Americans get serious about fighting a war they truly want to finish, it may be right here on our soil.