Posted on 10/24/2006 7:17:41 PM PDT by freedomdefender
Reagan did start as a Democrat, sure. However, this answer was snotty, first of all, and second of all, it sounded rehearsed.
Like I said, this is just a hunch. I might be way off base.
Immigrant citizens are allowed to vote, not illegal aliens. which is why it is important we do not blurr the terms, legalizing illegal aliens.
He is spending his own money on the campaign. $400,000
However, the complete abandon by the CA GOP in favor of lynching the guy before any evidence was in made me take notice. The reaction from Schwarzenegger, Baugh, and Sundheim has been over-the-top when you would think they would be trying to encourage people to wait until the facts are known before making any conclusions. There is still a lot of stench about this whole thing but true facts are hard to come by without a whole lot of digging!
Baugh is not without his own skeletons; I wonder how he would feel if he got a similar reaction over the Laurie Campbell matter.
The crux of this discussion revolves around the meaning of words and the intentions of the authors. The definition of emigrado is not immigrant.
The intention of the translator was not immigrant. It was to convey the status of resident alien through a colloquial corruption of a Spanish word. Phrases like the "The translator intended that emigrado refers to .." is simply not accurate. The phrase ""The MSM intended that emigrado means ..." is accurate but not complete until its motive for the convenient misrepresentation is explained.
Immigrant and immigration were not mentioned and never intended in these circumstances. It arose because a candidate's political enemies; the MSM, his opponent, the Democrat Party and elements in the Republican Party inserted it into the discussion.
In the greater scheme of things, the ado over this letter was just another political ploy to derail a political opponent. But, at the heart of the matter is California's greatest challenge and helping to brand any who suggest a common sense solution as "anti-immigrant" even tangentially, is simply counter productive. With all respect, reinforcing the very inaccuracies that the MSM intended and enabling this misrepresentation is not helping.
However, if you are here illegally, or are just a resident with a green-card, you should be advised that voting at any federal election is a crime...
Yes and no.
Voter registration in California is fraught with the possibility of organized fraud because of the availability of forged documents and lack of incentive to check beneath the surface. Voter screening at the polls is non existent, essentially an honor system. The rise in popularity of absentee ballots as standards to qualify were lowered and now permanent, absentee status, qualified only by request, is an invitation for institutional corruption.
As to the canceling out a citizen's vote; I disagree. I suggest that listening to the GaGOP's account, "Not voting for A is actually voting for B", is the source of the misconception. While an unauthorized vote does diminish the influence of a legal vote, it does not cancel it out.
Then our audience needs to understand that 1) words have meanings, 2) those who control the meanings, control the debate, 3) dictionaries historically reflect current usage, 4) on line dictionaries represent very current usage, 5) on line dictionaries are used to shape public perceptions because they can be changed instantly and still appear credible and 6) meanings of words, as standards for debate resolution, are generally better from a printed dictionary, at least 25 years out of date. 50 years is optimal.
"OK, then while I agree with his warning illegals about this being against the law, he is way off base trying to scare immigrants who are legally here. "
It is legal resident aliens are not allowed to vote either.
"It is legal resident aliens are not allowed to vote either."
Legal resident aliens are not allowed to vote either.
FYI--Dan Walters on Nguyen... and airing Baugh's dirty laundry.
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/15284
From my perspective, the upshot of this episode is the effectiveness of using the immigration card as misdirection in an issue involving illegal, alien activities.
Many on this forum were sucked in almost instantly and the subject of the letter was lost in the debate. I will promise that the Orange County Republican Party and the governor did not make their abrupt allegations because they were afraid of a few illegal voters. Their fear is that eligible, legitimate voters in the Hispanic community might be motivated to actually vote.
The head of the California Republican Party didn't accuse Nguyen, but said that if the candidate was involved he should get out of the race."The California Republican Party has zero tolerance for any attempt to disenfranchise voters. If it is proven that a candidate was responsible for this action, that candidate is clearly not fit to serve the people of California and should withdraw immediately from his or her race," Duf Sundheim, chair of the party, said in a statement.
Baugh said he didn't think the controversy would hurt the Republican Party. "There are bad actors in the Democratic Party, and in all parties there are individuals who cross the line," he said. "The important thing is that the Republican Party takes swift and thorough action once they become aware of the improper conduct."
This part went beyond jockeying on behalf of the party, IMO:
Scott Baugh said he believes the candidate, Tan D. Nguyen, personally urged printers to expedite the delivery of the flyer. He said the Orange County party will no longer support Nguyen's candidacy. "While it makes it difficult to win under these circumstances, when a campaign demonstrates inability to comply with the law, voters should not support that effort," Baugh said. He is urging voters in the 47th Congressional District to write in the name of Nguyen's primary opponent.
As I understand it, the OC party never supported his campaign anyway. I wonder what would happen if the Asian community was as vocal as the Latino community in this dust-up. I don't see any comments included in the media. The district is about 20% Asian, IIRC.
I read a copy of the letter that this guy allegedly sent out and it says that it is a crime to vote only if you are not a US Citizen. The letter says that it is a crime to vote if you are an illegal alien or an immigrant. However, the context of immigrant appears to mean a legal resident who has not yet been naturalized. The letter says that only US citizens may vote which is accurate.
Get a clue. I listened to the entire interview and the guy dodged the questions and hung up in a snit. I'd expect the race card to be dropped on DU, not here, especially from someone who admits not listening to the show in question.
They want to make sure it happens, but just don't expect to get caught. Francine Busby was recorded answering the question asked in Spanish, "I don't have papers, how can I help?" to which she replied, "You don't need papers to vote. You don't need to be registered to help." Rats all of them. This is why Gil Cedillo wants illegals to have driver's licenses so badly.
Tan Nguyen's campaign's letter warned readers not to listen to politicians who might tell non-citizens that it's okay to vote, since those politicians are only looking out for their own interests. That was a very good warning.
Five months ago, in the primary or runoff election in San Diego for the 50th Congresional seat, vacated by Duke Cunningham and won by Brian Bilbray (R), candidate Francine Busby (D) told a Spanish-speaking audience otherwise:
"You can all help. [pause for Spanish translation] You don't need papers for voting. You don't need to be a registered voter to help," said Busby. This was in response to a question by a Spanish-speaking man who asked how to help get her elected but who did not "have papers." [meaning that he was in the US illegally]
Here's one of several threads. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642545/posts
i heard him perhaps on another radio show today dodge some questions regarding who originated the letters. But the dodge was of his fear as being advised by his lawyers not to say to much since he is under investigation, most likely.
I believe he is real however and is sincerely running on an anti illegal immigrant platform, and has no beef or should he against legal immigrants such as himself.
I have seen his signs for his election on the streets for months now, since before the protests early this year,, often with phrases regarding stopping illegal immigration. Many of his signs that are posted on the roadsides disappear soon after especially the ones that mention illegal immigrants. So illegal immigration has been his platform all along, and it is clear there are those who are out to silence him.
There may have been a falsification of misrepresenting somebody else's letterhead, which may have been his only crime,
but consider those whom he has brought to light, the possibility of illegal immigrants period, and the fact they may be voting, with false documents themselves as US citizens,
It is appalling that he is only person investigated regarding intimidation associated with immigrants and not the 10 of thousands of illegal immigrants and the forces behind them including the socialist anti Americans, who are creating fraudulent documents daily and intimidating the long time legal and established residents of his district
The only crime heaven forbid, is that these letters are not authentic from who they say they are from even though they cite US law truthfully.
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