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Recent Polls Outside The Historical Norm For Party ID.
The Corner (National Review?) ^ | 17 October 2006 | Rich Lowry (?)

Posted on 10/17/2006 4:21:54 PM PDT by shrinkermd

Recent Polls Outside The Historical Norm For Party ID. A spate of recent polls paints a very gloomy electoral outlook for GOP candidates in next month's elections. One reason for that, possibly, is a set of samples in recent polls that do not mirror the historical norm for party ID.

A memo circulating among Republicans on the Hill, authored by GOP pollster David Winston, takes a look at the historical spread between Democrats and Republicans in House elections and polling over the last 14 years. According to Winston's analysis, there is a material discrepancy between the party identification listed by people in exit polls (people who actually voted) between 1992 and 2004, and those used over the last few weeks.

In most of the years between 1992 and 2004, Democrats held a slight advantage in party ID. Winston based his data on VNS/Media exit surveys, and concluded in 1992, Democrats held a 3 point advantage; in 1996, they held a 4 point advantage; in 1998, a 1 point advantage; and in 2000, a 3 point advantage. In two election years, 1994 and 2004, the percentages of people identifying themselves as Republicans and Democrats were identical, i.e., no advantage to either party. 2002 was the only year in which Republicans held an advantage over Democrats, with 40% identifying themselves to exit pollsters as Republicans and 38% identifying themselves as Democrats.

In short, between 1992 and 2004, only once did one party enjoy an advantage as large as 4 points over the other in party ID. But in recent polling samples used by eight different polling organizations (USA Today/Gallup, CBS/NYTimes, ABC/Washington Post, CNN/Opinion Research, Newsweek, AP/Ipsos, Pew, and Time), the Democratic advantage in the sample surveyed was never less than 5 points.

All these organizations conducted surveys in early October. According to Winston, the Democrats held the following party ID advantages in these early-October surveys: * USAToday/Gallup: 9 points. * CBS/NYT: 5 points * ABC/WP: 8 points * CNN: did not provide sample party ID details. * Newsweek: 11 points. * AP/Ipsos: 8 points. * Pew: 7 points. * Time: 8 points.

Party registrations shift over time, and many political operatives believe the country starts to gravitate away from a party that has been in power over an extended period of time. Republicans have controlled the House since 1995. Winston acknowledges that possibility in his memo, writing, "It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility that this year's election could fall outside of historical results, but any survey that does should acknowledge that


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; demorats; msmbias; polls; proportion
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Something is drastically wrong with the polling or the country has suddenly become more inclined to portray themselves as Democrats. This would be surprising since 60+% of the electorate defines themselves as "conservative" or "very conservative." The figure for liberals and very conservative liberals is 34%.

Someone is wrong big time!

1 posted on 10/17/2006 4:21:55 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

bump


2 posted on 10/17/2006 4:25:07 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: shrinkermd

EXCELLENT ARTICLE!!!


3 posted on 10/17/2006 4:25:09 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: shrinkermd

There has been a lot of troubling information to come out lately. I don't think it all can be laid at the feet of poll bias. I think losing seats is a virtual guarntee. The question is whether or not we can hold onto control. The margin is going to be narrow and our turnout better be good.


4 posted on 10/17/2006 4:26:41 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: PJ-Comix

Prepare to see the DUmmies go off the deep end!


5 posted on 10/17/2006 4:27:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: shrinkermd

Gee, I think someone named LS has been saying for months that the pollsters were oversampling Dems by 5% at least!


6 posted on 10/17/2006 4:27:32 PM PDT by LS
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To: shrinkermd

Thanks for posting.

The Dims peaked probably last week some time.

The tide will begin to flow the other way for the next three weeks.


7 posted on 10/17/2006 4:27:39 PM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: shrinkermd

"Early October Surveys" are not "Exit Polls of actual voters".


8 posted on 10/17/2006 4:27:46 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: ConservativeGreek
"The Dims peaked probably last week some time.
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Not saying you are wrong (and I pray you aren't), but what are you basing your theory on?
9 posted on 10/17/2006 4:29:07 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: LS

OK, you get today's genius award.


10 posted on 10/17/2006 4:31:40 PM PDT by pbear8 (Hey Muslims, listen to B-16 he's telling the truth)
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To: LS

You will find this of interest...


11 posted on 10/17/2006 4:34:20 PM PDT by eureka! (Heaven forbid the Rats get control of Congress and/or the Presidency any time soon....)
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To: LS

LOL. I just pinged you and scrolled down to see your post...


12 posted on 10/17/2006 4:34:53 PM PDT by eureka! (Heaven forbid the Rats get control of Congress and/or the Presidency any time soon....)
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To: LS
I finally got a "poll" call last weekend.

Not quite sure who it was from, or what is was about, since the "poller" could not speak English intelligibly .

I hung up.

So much for "polls".
13 posted on 10/17/2006 4:36:32 PM PDT by sarasmom (Lead, follow, or get out of the way .The "debate" ended on 91101 for serious adults.)
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To: shrinkermd
The internals of some of the polls I have seen read like they were configured in Portlandistan; heavy on the Rats with repubs and indies close.
14 posted on 10/17/2006 4:37:42 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: TheHound

I'd either lie or refuse to participate in exit polls. There's only one poll that counts. 'Rats should plan to go to the polls on their special day - WEDNESDAY!


15 posted on 10/17/2006 4:38:00 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: shrinkermd
I so badly want the GOP to retain the House and Senate this fall, not least for the fact that the traditional polling system and the MSM that lives by it would be devastated.
16 posted on 10/17/2006 4:39:10 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: shrinkermd

One of the Dems top strategies is to affect voter turnout.
The Republicans have more money, and are better organized but since the Dems have no vision or plan other than selling us all down the river, they must resort to mudslinging and rigged polls.


17 posted on 10/17/2006 4:40:12 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: shrinkermd

I am missing something here. All the polls listed say that they sampled more Democrats than Republicans. But does this mean there are *actually* fewer voters identifying themselves as Republicans or only that all the polls are using biased samples?


18 posted on 10/17/2006 4:41:09 PM PDT by jwalburg (It wasn't the Executive that Thomas Jefferson referred to as "the Despotic Branch.")
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To: shrinkermd

I suspect Rich Lowry is right. Consider SurveyUSA's poll of NM-1, for instance. They claim: "In the past 4 weeks, the composition of likely voters in NM1 has changed from a 5-point Democrat advantage to a 16-point Democrat advantage." That is implausible, at best.

If you apply a more realistic turnout model to this race, you end up with a toss-up instead of an eight-point Democrat lead.


19 posted on 10/17/2006 4:42:47 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: LS; All

"Gee, I think someone named LS has been saying for months that the pollsters were oversampling Dems by 5% at least!"


And another Freeper named DrDeb has been saying the same thing!

[BTW: Have you been able to identify the party affiliation ratios used by the OhioPoll? . . . Even their PDF results don't identify the party affiliation of respondents!]


20 posted on 10/17/2006 4:46:34 PM PDT by DrDeb
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