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Evolution wins out in Michigan science curriculum debate
mlive.com (Michigan News) ^ | 10 October 2006 | TIM MARTIN

Posted on 10/10/2006 10:00:04 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Always Right
[If anyone ever did teach such a stupid thing (evolution explains "it all"??), I'll be the first one to agree with you that they shouldn't be teaching that in school]

You are naive to think they do not.

I have followed many such accusations. To date, all of them turn out to be falsehoods or misunderstandings by the accusers, and not an actual case of a teacher trying to say that "evolution explains it all". Perhaps you could be the first to actually produce a valid example. Or, perhaps you're just making unfounded slanders.

There are many biology teachers who hate religion and believe that religious people can not be biologists.

Uh huh. Sure there are. Did the unicorns tell you this?

There was one professor who made students deny their religion before he would give them a recommendation.

Ah, now you're just lying. No, that is not what biology professor Michael Dini actually did. He made no religious test whatsoever. He simply said that in order to get a letter of recommendation from him, a biology graduate has to actually accept the principle tenets of biology. Sounds reasonable to me. And since the tenets of biology make no statement whatsoever with regards to religion, it's a gross falsehood for you to claim that he required them to "deny their religion". In fact, millions of scientists, including biologists, have no problem reconciling biology with their religions.

Now that we've seen you grossly misrepresent something like that, why should we trust anything else you have to say? Bearing false witness is against the Commandments, you know.

Why do you think the ACLU is involved.

Because lots of overzealous religous crusaders keep trying to sneak their religion into public schools.

They want to weed out any suggestion that evolution can't explain everything.

Wrong again. The ACLU is quite aware that evolution doesn't explain anything outside the realm of biology.

61 posted on 10/10/2006 10:59:58 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Oh really, truth you claim, now evolution is about what exactly... reproduction??? Right??? so basically it is a sex theory???

Shhh, don't tell anyone! ;-)

Actually, a while back an online forum asked for people to submit possible alternatives for the somewhat misleading slogan, "survival of the fittest". The winning entry was, "Every single one of your ancestors scored!"

62 posted on 10/10/2006 11:01:45 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: PatrickHenry

That won't sit well with the Harun Yahya in Michigan.


63 posted on 10/10/2006 11:02:01 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Ichneumon
Hey the shoe certainly fits allllll things considered.
64 posted on 10/10/2006 11:03:02 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
["Evolution wins out in Michigan science curriculum debate"]

Big time slip here in that truth is out it is evolution that wins not the truth or the children.

The authors thought that their readers would be smart enough to realize that they are the same thing, but in your case they overestimated.

65 posted on 10/10/2006 11:03:10 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Always Right
Thats a nice definition, but supernatural and morals are not included in many definitions. There are many definition of religion that simply state, 'a personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.'

...then that still leaves out evolution and other fields of science or scientific explanations.

66 posted on 10/10/2006 11:04:19 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: PatrickHenry
The "fellows" at the Discovery Institute are on suicide watch.

It's amazing how many fights they can lose and still rake in money from suckers.

67 posted on 10/10/2006 11:05:15 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Join the Intelligent Design Inter-Faith Network!

Rejoice! There is no need to feel isolated. In addition to those denominations that follow a literal reading of Genesis, there are people all over the world, of many faiths, who share your deeply-held belief in creationism, creation-science, and Intelligent Design.

To begin with, there are the Raelians, a sect based entirely on ID.

Don't overlook a billion followers Islam. For inspiration, read: Why Muslims Should Support Intelligent Design, By Mustafa Akyol.

The Hare Krishnas also reject Darwinian evolution. Their website has several enlightening articles. For example: The Intelligent Designer.

There is also the Unification Church, founded by Rev. Sun Myung Moon. One of Moon's followers, Jonathan Wells, is a leading intellectual in the ID movement. He is the author of Icons of Evolution, and is a Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute. Wells has written movingly about how Rev. Moon motivated his career in ID: Darwinism: Why I Went for a Second Ph.D.

68 posted on 10/10/2006 11:07:35 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Hooray for Michigan's efforts to stall IDs assault on science!
69 posted on 10/10/2006 11:11:40 AM PDT by Redgirl
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To: Ichneumon
Yep Classroom A stir up all those base animal reproductive behaviors then on down the hall to Classroom B to be train to shield bananas and cucumbers...
70 posted on 10/10/2006 11:12:19 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: scottdeus12

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Quick quiz: can you be an evolutionist and a Christian at the same time? Those who say "no" pretty much universally proclaim themselves Christians.


71 posted on 10/10/2006 11:12:39 AM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: RoadTest
Science falsely so called.

I just love that verse!

72 posted on 10/10/2006 11:12:47 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Man defiles a rock when he chips it with a tool. Ex 20:25)
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To: All
This news will probably interact with the topic of another Michigan thread from a few weeks ago:
[Michigan Gov. Candidate] DeVos says he wants intelligent design taught in science classes.
73 posted on 10/10/2006 11:14:47 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

We're going ALL THE WAY TO THE SCHOOLHOUSE!!!

YEEEEEEHAAAAAA!

(can I say that here?)


74 posted on 10/10/2006 11:15:30 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: Just mythoughts

The children do win. They aren't going to be subject to IDers crazy curriculum.


75 posted on 10/10/2006 11:15:51 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Ichneumon
Ah, now you're just lying. No, that is not what biology professor Michael Dini actually did. He made no religious test whatsoever. He simply said that in order to get a letter of recommendation from him, a biology graduate has to actually accept the principle tenets of biology.

No you are one who lacks the truth. Dini insisted that the students 'affirm' that essentially man evolved from monkeys. It had nothing to do with the princile tenets of biology. What Dini did was try to create a religious test without making it look like he did. That is why he had to backpeddle and change his webpage. Dini's test was what the student believed not what he knew.

76 posted on 10/10/2006 11:15:58 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Things like the big bang and monkeys evolving into humans are guesses.

Nobody has ever made the assertion that humans evolved from monkeys. Nice try.

77 posted on 10/10/2006 11:17:41 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: balrog666; Lunatic Fringe
"I think the first thing they need to teach is the difference between "theory" and "scientific theory," a concept obviously lost on IDers."

You'd think that would be part of the basic introduction to science.

It is. At least, it was for me.

IDers have shown very little interest in actually learning anything about science, though. So it might not be surprising that they fail to comprehend the most basic concepts.

78 posted on 10/10/2006 11:18:21 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

"The children do win. They aren't going to be subject to IDers crazy curriculum."

You call what is public education a winner, cause there has been no "IDers crazy curriculum" anywhere near a classroom for decades???

Time for an accounting for the results of what has been the only allowed curriculum, evolution!!!!


79 posted on 10/10/2006 11:19:24 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

You're not actually going to suggest the decline of public education is related to teaching evolution, are you?


80 posted on 10/10/2006 11:21:05 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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