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I'm so glad the new york times cares about the military.
1 posted on 09/30/2006 5:32:50 PM PDT by mathprof
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America’s badly overstretched Army cannot sustain present force levels much longer without long-term damage. And that could undermine the credibility of American foreign policy for years to come.

The Army has been kept on short rations of troops and equipment for years by a Pentagon more intent on stockpiling futuristic weapons than fighting today’s wars. Now it is pushing up against the limits of hard arithmetic. Senior generals are warning that the Bush administration may have to break its word and again use National Guard units to plug the gap, but no one in Washington is paying serious attention. That was clear last week when Congress recklessly decided to funnel extra money to the Air Force’s irrelevant F-22 stealth fighter.

From the military experts at the NYT. How many years' collective military experience do the NYT editors have, anyway? Seriously?

2 posted on 09/30/2006 5:35:09 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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Afghan Winter!!!!!!!!!!! Afghan Winter!!!!!!!!!!!

We'll never be able to fight in an Afghan Winter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah. Memories.
3 posted on 09/30/2006 5:37:58 PM PDT by horse_doc
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(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com (a subsidiary of Al Jazeera Network).

Click on link and see what I mean.

4 posted on 09/30/2006 5:41:11 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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Let's shut off the federal money tap to favorite liberal projects and funnel the money into the military. Alternately, a national tax on "organic" foods and latte to buy weapons systems and body armour.


5 posted on 09/30/2006 5:42:04 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Aside from abortion, perversion, sedition and corruption, what do the Democrats stand for?)
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BS. The US Congress JUST passed a bill yesterday that adresses all of this. Guess the NY Slimes just could not pass up republishing the latest DNC Talking Poing memo to actually report the truth.


6 posted on 09/30/2006 5:43:58 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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Well, although there's lots of truth to this, it seems the only time the Times will print the truth is when it's damaging to us. Still, we need to face the fact that Clinton badly damaged the US military and we're not prepared for the deployments required. It's time to reform the system by which we rely heavily on Reservists and Guardsmen for long-term overseas deployments and authorize a larger active-duty force with larger stockpiles, etc. We need to better provide for our military, to let prospective recruits know that they will get the support and respect they need, and won't be used as political pawns and get cut off.

...and what really burns me is that this has to be discussed in public during wartime, since our government has not been properly taking care of business.

7 posted on 09/30/2006 5:46:17 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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"That was clear last week when Congress recklessly decided to funnel extra money to the Air Force’s irrelevant F-22 stealth fighter."

"...irrelevant?" The New York Times needs to recruit some of that calm, cool testosterone. Until then, its staff's hysteria will continue to be commonly known.

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10 posted on 09/30/2006 5:48:22 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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The N.Y. Times and the Democrats in general are engaged in wishful thinking. They hope that our troops will be killed and wounded, and that the United States will appear to lose the war on terror while Bush is in office. They are totally frustrated and disappointed that there have been no terrorist attacks in the United States since 9/11/01.


11 posted on 09/30/2006 5:48:36 PM PDT by pleikumud
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Even if there were a case for staying the current course in Iraq, America’s badly overstretched Army cannot sustain present force levels much longer without long-term damage. And that could undermine the credibility of American foreign policy for years to come.

Let me get this straight - the bozos at the NYT are concerned about undermining the credibility of American foreign policy for years to come, yet they are pushing for the US to surrender and withdraw from Iraq. Clearly they believe that their readers are idiots, utterly bereft of critical thinking skills (either that, or the writer is an idiot utterly bereft of critical thinking skills)...

12 posted on 09/30/2006 5:49:15 PM PDT by Zeppo
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There is no newspaper in the nation that knows less about military affairs than the NYT.


These reporters are the dumbest I have ever seen. Morons.


14 posted on 09/30/2006 5:51:43 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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And may I add to my former comments....They are suicidal morons, content to believe that because a bomb has not exploded on their block, none ever will.

The Islamofacists are not going to take down Lincoln, Nebraska, they will attack New York and Washington (note to the NYT reporters...that is Washington, DC).


17 posted on 09/30/2006 5:56:29 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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Folks, we're one month from important elections. The left and the media will be throwing everything, including the kitchen sink, at us. It will be relentless and sickening, and the truth or the public good will be far down the list of their priorities.


19 posted on 09/30/2006 5:58:56 PM PDT by Jhensy
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For an Army on the edge, recruitment and retention don't seem to be hurting.




Five Years After 9/11, Recruiting, Retention Remain Solid
American Forces Press Service ^ | Donna Miles


Posted on 09/12/2006 7:25:17 PM PDT by SandRat


WASHINGTON, Sept. 12, 2006 – Five years after military recruiting hit the ceiling after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, recruiting remains solid, with every service meeting its active-duty recruiting goal for the 15th consecutive month.

Recruiting and retention statistics for August, just released by the Defense Department, show the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force all meeting or exceeding both their monthly as well as year-to-date recruiting goals for the year.

At the same time, retention remains solid across the board, with all services expected to meet their retention goals for the fiscal year, officials said.


23 posted on 09/30/2006 6:01:14 PM PDT by jgilbert63
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"The Army has been kept on short rations of troops and equipment for years by a Pentagon..."

These jerks should do their homework in what The Impeached One did to gut our military, just as Carter did.

24 posted on 09/30/2006 6:01:44 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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The New York Times and the snorting nitwits who run it should stick to reporting on sexual trends in Soho and murders in the Hamptons...anything that will help increase their underwear advertising revenue stream.
30 posted on 09/30/2006 6:17:47 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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33 posted on 09/30/2006 6:24:28 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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I think that the Army has basically been destroyed in detail by Rumsfeld. The Division as a concept has been dismantled and divided into boutique brigades. The large support units have been dismantled. The artillery corps has been dismantled and turned into infantry replacements. Their weapons are no longer used. Indeed, except for a few 155 units they do not exist in Iraq. Fort Sill, the artillery school, has been turned into an infantry basic training base. The cream of the armor tanks has been moved to Iraq where it is bogged down in desert sand and heat and will eventually have to be rebuilt or replaced if another war emergency arises. Army transportation units are being destroyed at an alarming rate. Most of the trucks located in Iraq will never be returned to the US. The pride of American transpotation is being IEDed into a huge junkpile. Forces have been redeployed from other venues, Korea, Germany leaving huge gaps in those areas.
All of this distruction is due to Rumsfeld's pigheadedness in fighting a war on the cheap, canibalizing the Army and its equipment and fighting a war without a coherent plan. Imagine fighting a major war without a draft, with a half sized Navy and no general mobilization- pure stupidity. That's why the enemy hasn't capitulated. They know we're not serious. And that's why this is a dangerous time. It's tempting for North Korea, say, to twist our noses because we don't have the troops or equipment to fight a real war over there. China, perhaps even Russia, will now be tempted to raise hell because we are overextented in Iraq. I think it's now time to begin the draft and raise new divisions and resupply our forces anew, and replace Rummy.


35 posted on 09/30/2006 6:25:17 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire.)
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The "problem" is not, nor has ever been the quality, training or readiness of those in uniform!

The "problem" is trying to fight a Politically Correct war against a large, media savvy and allied, though poorly-trained and equipped Multi-National maniacal enemy.

Toss out Embedded Reporters, the Laws Of Armed Conflict, (LOAC) Rules Of Engagement (ROE) and the Geneva Convention. Get back to a solid WWII "We are here. They are everywhere else!" mentality and the tide would turn before Christmas.

Jack.


40 posted on 09/30/2006 6:37:11 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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Congress recklessly decided to funnel extra money to the Air Force’s irrelevant F-22 stealth fighter.

Irrelevant? Gee whiz!

According to one of your crack reporters, just two days ago, it “can fly at 60,000 feet, twice as high as any other plane.”

41 posted on 09/30/2006 6:37:47 PM PDT by dighton
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I'm so glad the new york times cares about the military.

Where were they during the Carter administration? I remember how decrepit our equipment was during my tour in Germany, and the lack of funds for spare parts and training. It was always a struggle to have 3/4 of our weapons systems operational, which was the minimum requirement.

The average soldier that was in my platoon/battery/battalion was just as good as they are today. In some ways, they were better, because they learned rapidly how to make do with less. Fortunately, far fewer marginal recruits are allowed to enlist today.

63 posted on 10/01/2006 8:57:49 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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