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Is this what they mean by "Muslim tolerance'?
Daily Mail ^ | 09/16/06 | PETER HITCHENS

Posted on 09/16/2006 7:41:54 PM PDT by Pikamax

Listen to this: "Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."

Or then again, this: "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends."

Then there is the instruction to fight against those who are not of the true faith "until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued".

All are direct quotations from the Koran, which Muslims believe to be the absolute word of Allah, and which cannot be altered.

If you seek even more ferocious attacks on Christianity and Judaism, you will find them in the Hadith, Islam's other great book of scripture.

Week after week in those lands where Muslims rule and Christians are a minority, the message pours out from the mosques: "God did not have a son."

All the central doctrines of the Christian faith are emphatically denied. Things are said about Jews and Christians, sometimes comparing them to pigs and monkeys, which would attract the attention of the Thought Police if they were uttered here.

Only recently an Afghan was threatened with death - the prescribed punishment under Sharia law - for converting from Islam to Christianity.

Christians in Pakistan live in constant fear of attacks on their churches and their homes, usually following false allegations that someone has burned a Koran.

Coptic Christians in Egypt suffer a similar misery. Christian Arabs who can afford to have been emigrating by the thousands to avoid increasing persecution by their Muslim neighbours.

Hypocritical fury

For years Liberals in the West have spread the myth of "Muslim tolerance". It does not exist and never did. Where Islam rules, other faiths must cringe in humiliated subjection.

These are facts. Is it not astonishing that this militant, angry religion, whose name means not "Peace", but "Submission", whose whole existence is based on the denial and rejection of its rivals, dares to get into a self-righteous rage over an obscure quotation in a dull academic lecture by the head of the Roman Catholic Church?

In Islam it is still the year 1427. They have had no reformation. The more Islamic a state is, the more its women are shrouded and confined, the more its minorities are despised - and the more freedom of thought and speech are crushed.

And yet the deputy leader of Turkey's Islamist ruling party, Salih Kapusuz, attacks the Pope for having "a dark mentality that comes from the darkness of the Middle Ages".

If we bow to this manufactured, hypocritical fury, then we will already have lost one of the most important battles to face us.

While our silly leaders bleat and panic about terror threats, a far greater menace to our free societies comes from the growing power of Islam in our midst.

Much of that power results from the weak-kneed refusal of our own liberal elite to stand up for what is good about our Christian civilisation. Back the Pope.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; hitchens; infidels; islam; jihad; koran; religionofpeace
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1 posted on 09/16/2006 7:41:54 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax; redgirlinabluestate; DadOfTwoMarines; aimee5291; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; ..

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If you want on (or off) this Catholic and Pro-Life ping list, let me know!



2 posted on 09/16/2006 7:42:53 PM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: Pikamax

Amen! Thanks for posting.


3 posted on 09/16/2006 7:45:00 PM PDT by AliVeritas (The road to hell is paved with bishops - St. Athanasis)
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To: Pikamax

Hmm, I didn't know Christopher Hitchens brother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hitchens


4 posted on 09/16/2006 7:45:17 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: doc1019

Muslim tolerance = oxymoron


5 posted on 09/16/2006 7:46:00 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Pikamax

I hope the pope's speech was a brilliant move to make all of these hateful folks crawl out from under their rocks so all the world can see their peaceful religion in action.

The Dems are probably going crazy right now trying to figure out which side to back.





6 posted on 09/16/2006 7:48:28 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Pikamax
>"Things are said about Jews and Christians, sometimes comparing them to pigs and monkeys, which would attract the attention of the Thought Police if they were uttered here."

As long as its against Christians and Jews OK. That is not only acceptable it has been the template for the media for the past 40 years or so.

Try saying that about one of the sacred cow minorities and you could end up screaming about bloody Luddy Van!

7 posted on 09/16/2006 7:52:47 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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To: bahblahbah

It's been many moons ago (15 years?) that I think I saw a "point-counterpoint"
on TV of the Hitchens brothers arguing about the royal family:
Peter in favor, Christopher against.
It was a loud, acrimonious and FUN thing to watch.


8 posted on 09/16/2006 7:54:45 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Pikamax

Muslims act out on what the Koran says. It is not unusual.
The War on Terror may end up being a CRUSADE, the LAST one.


9 posted on 09/16/2006 7:57:47 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Right Wing Assault
Non-islamic peoples, by and large, can read and see what the truth of islam is: a lie. Perhaps the Pope's intent was for ALL to take a stand, one side or another.
10 posted on 09/16/2006 8:26:04 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: Pikamax

Wow! Great article. When is the American press going to come out and say something like this?


11 posted on 09/16/2006 8:27:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pikamax

How about this: as soon as someone produces examples of the catholic faith engaging in torture, beheadings, etc. of non-christians, the rest of us will repent. Hmmm....all I hear are crickets!!


12 posted on 09/16/2006 8:34:39 PM PDT by wingsof liberty
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To: Right Wing Assault
The Dems are probably going crazy right now trying to figure out which side to back.

Translation: How can we use this to hurt Bush.

13 posted on 09/16/2006 8:49:24 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
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To: Right Wing Assault
"I hope the pope's speech was a brilliant move to make all of these hateful folks crawl out from under their rocks so all the world can see their peaceful religion in action. "

Yup, they're showing their (bloody) colors. Getting harder and harder to keep from laughing when muslims say theirs is a "religion of peace."

14 posted on 09/16/2006 8:56:41 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army vet, Army Dad)
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To: Pikamax

bttt


15 posted on 09/16/2006 9:00:49 PM PDT by twntaipan (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride in Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: wingsof liberty

Ummm .. what happened during the Inquisition?

Really, there is no instruction in the New Testament to torture or kill your enemies. Only instructions to pray for them, and love them.


16 posted on 09/16/2006 9:02:13 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution ... only for a moral and religious people... -- John Q. Adams, October 11, 1798)
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To: Pikamax
What the Pope said is very mild and not at all inflammatory. Contrast it with the calls for him to be murdered from Muslim clerics.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

17 posted on 09/16/2006 9:03:27 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pikamax

That is exactly muslim tolerance, treating those of other faiths worse than blacks in the Jim Crow south.


18 posted on 09/16/2006 9:03:45 PM PDT by 308MBR (When you call islam "medieval", muslims get mad and act even more "medieval".)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
"Non-islamic peoples, by and large, can read and see what the truth of islam is: a lie."

This past week I was in the home of a family from Lebanon, they are Christians. Came to the states 10 years ago. They are so happy here and so interesting to talk to. They still have family in Lebanon and concern for them. They revealed some horror stories about islam and Muslin men. They're treatment of women and the hatred for Christians.
I would like to set and listen for hours.
19 posted on 09/16/2006 9:04:13 PM PDT by fabriclady
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To: Pikamax

Given his brothers views on Mother Theresa I am a bit surprised by this column.


20 posted on 09/16/2006 9:06:47 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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