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Powell Opposes Efforts to 'Redefine' Geneva Provision
WashPost ^ | 9-14-06 | William Branigin

Posted on 09/14/2006 4:12:11 PM PDT by STARWISE

Former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell came out in opposition today to White House-sponsored legislation to create special military commissions that would try terrorist suspects, saying he rejects efforts to "redefine" a key provision of the Geneva Conventions.

Powell, a retired Army general who formerly headed the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated his position in a letter to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), one of three Republican senators who are blocking President Bush's plan for military tribunals. The three -- who also include Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a member of the committee -- are advancing an alternative tribunal bill that contains more protections for defendants.

* Powell's Letter: A letter sent from General Colin Powell (Ret.) to Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) on the attempt to redefine Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention.

In defiance of the White House, Warner's committee approved the alternative bill this afternoon by a 15-9 vote, setting up a possible showdown with the Senate's Republican leadership. Warner, McCain, Graham and fellow Republican Susan M. Collins of Maine joined the committee's 11 Democrats in voting for the measure, which Bush today vowed to "resist" on grounds it would effectively scuttle a "terrorist detainee program" run by the CIA.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; genevaconventions; interrogation; legislation; mccain; powell; troups
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I think they're trying to curry favor among liberals and Europeans. Just my opinion.


41 posted on 09/14/2006 4:48:05 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: SuzyQue
We want to think the best of others, and Powell exuded "gravitas" and authority.

Now he's acting like former President(shudder) Jimmy the Dhimmi Carter...

42 posted on 09/14/2006 4:50:02 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: Mo1

That cartoon just about says it all.

What I want to know: Do any other countries afford jihadists Geneva Convention protections?


43 posted on 09/14/2006 4:52:06 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Miss Marple; Mo1; BigSkyFreeper

They're giving democrats cover against POTUS, but more importantly, they're playing fast and loose with our national security and brave troops.

Powell and McCain, and to a lesser degree Graham and Warner are lofty names in the opinion of a lot of Americans who take the news at face value.


44 posted on 09/14/2006 4:52:23 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: teawithmisswilliams

I like that: "jimmy the dhimmi". Well said.


45 posted on 09/14/2006 4:53:23 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: MizSterious

I don't get this either, MizSterious. I'm completely stunned. I can't figure out the rationale and I've really tried to listen to the comments about this in the media.

Maybe tomorrow some of our conservative reporters will write things that make sense, but I doubt it.


46 posted on 09/14/2006 4:53:53 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Miss Marple

Me too.


47 posted on 09/14/2006 4:54:17 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
his opposition to Stormin' Norman

Your comment helps answer my question about what makes Powell tick when he's making us sick: He's the anti-Reagan. Reagan said, "It's amazing what you can accomplish in Washington if you don't care who gets the credit."

Powell's public life seems to be spent preventing anyone else from getting the credit. He takes it to the ultimate, weenie extreme, which is to get in the way if someone else seems to be accomplishing something. First Stormin' Norman, now Bush II.

He's a sick puppy, and he's waxing ambitious. Does he fancy himself a Presidential candidate for 2008? He's a legend in his own mind.

48 posted on 09/14/2006 4:55:44 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: STARWISE

Starwise - you need to read this. The WH put out a paper on the myths surrounding Article 3:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1701690/posts


49 posted on 09/14/2006 4:58:40 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: jwalsh07
he rejects efforts to "redefine" a key provision of the Geneva Conventions.
We can only wish. Applying the protections of the Conventions to people who explictly reject the Conventions and violate all its sanctions is redefining not just a key provision but the entire concept of the Geneva Conventions and the sovereignty of nations, if it comes to that.

Look at Lebanon - it has Hezballah within it, functioning independently and not responsible to the government of Lebanon. Yet it has members in the Lebanese legislature, and its members are being accorded Geneva protections. According to liberals, everyone deserves Geneva protections except people who are attacked by an NGO such as al Qaeda or Hezballah. If you are captured by such, why then, that's just tough.


50 posted on 09/14/2006 4:59:05 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: onyx
They're giving democrats cover against POTUS, but more importantly, they're playing fast and loose with our national security and brave troops

They did the same thing with the Judges

51 posted on 09/14/2006 4:59:31 PM PDT by Mo1 (Think about it .. A Speaker Nancy Pelosi could be 2 seats away from being President)
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To: STARWISE

Since the lousy scumbags haven't signed the Geneva Convention....who cares? Why do we have to make nice?


52 posted on 09/14/2006 4:59:49 PM PDT by tioga
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To: STARWISE
colostomy powell, one of our greatest retired Generals alive said that you were a lightweight. He was correct.

LLS
53 posted on 09/14/2006 5:01:53 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: MizSterious; Peach; Miss Marple

I'm with you all on being totally mystified as to why "Republicans" are doing this. Powell may be doing it simply because it's his nature (I have always thought he was two-faced, a sort of passive-aggressive type), but I honestly don't see what political gain any of them think they're going to get out of this.

We know that's why they're doing it, but I seriously think they're misreading people's feelings. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I don't think opposing Bush on this is going to be the winning ticket they believed it would be.


54 posted on 09/14/2006 5:02:24 PM PDT by livius
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To: MizSterious
This political stunt of these "Republicans" (quotes on purpose) could potentially cost a lot of lives. If there is another attack on the US because we couldn't properly interrogate terrorists, it's on their heads.

But you know it won't go down like that...the President and homeland security will be blamed. We will never know what circle of information we were kept from discovering, we will only hear about some vulnerability in security which will be presented by some lowly bureaucrat who knew all along but nobody would listen.

55 posted on 09/14/2006 5:03:01 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Mo1
Let's give this vote a name:

Path to ______ date uncertain ______

O'Reilly addressing this now. He's on POTUS's side.

56 posted on 09/14/2006 5:03:36 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: montag813
Powell is beneath contempt. Well the gloves are off now, I hope the Admin leaks all the damaging info regarding Powell's career "lowlights".

Let's start with running from Baghdad in the 90's and leaving the Saddam mess for GWB to clean up.

57 posted on 09/14/2006 5:06:35 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: MizSterious; onyx

They're all "media darlings" who gauge their every move by looking at polls. They've just piled on with the rest of the left, kicking President Bush while he's down in the polls.


58 posted on 09/14/2006 5:07:24 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Peach
And the Geneva Conventions apply only to those who wear the uniform and fight on behalf of a nation state. The jihadists don't qualify under either category.



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Am I mistaken, or did the supreme court just give the jihadists status under the Geneva convention? would not this allow non-uniformed detainees to be given protection under the Geneva convention. And if this is the case couldn't the president choose, in the interests of national security, to ignore the supreme court ruling and refuse to afford these vermin Geneva convention rights for the very same clause in the Geneva convention articles? After all the Geneva convention is an international treaty and not something the supreme court of the United States has any jurisdiction over.
59 posted on 09/14/2006 5:07:28 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: Miss Marple
I am done ranting for a bit because I can feel my BP going through the roof!

I give you credit, my friend. I'm too furious to even put together a cogent rant!

60 posted on 09/14/2006 5:10:42 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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