Teachers urged to tolerate swearing

Daily Press (Victorville CA) ^ | Sunday, August 27, 2006 | By HILLARY BORRUD / Staff Writer

[zlala]

VICTORVILLE —Victor Valley Union High School District teachers have been coached on a new approach to disciplining students.

At issue is whether teachers need to adjust how they interact with and discipline students who misbehave, particularly students from difficult backgrounds.

Culberson, director of youth services for the San Bernardino City Unified School District, said at a back-to-school inservice meeting that students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school and consequently, some teachers have unrealistic expectations of their students.

The district superintendent, Julian Weaver, said Culberson’s message does not represent a change in district disciplinary policy, but...teachers need to learn to interpret their students’ body language. When a student is visibly agitated, the teacher might not want to push any buttons by asking if he or she brought in homework that day.

“We need to see ourselves as teachers and adults in the classroom,” Weaver said, “but we shouldn’t see ourselves as dictators, where students see themselves as far less than the teacher.”

Teachers should never take anything a student says personally, Culberson said. He referred to a teacher’s personal “f-— you” meter, meaning the number of times a teenager swears at them before they would discipline the student. If teachers have a low tolerance for bad behavior and frequently send a student out of the classroom, the students will drive them crazy whereas teachers with a high tolerance will be able to calmly follow school procedure and still discipline the student, Culberson said in an interview. State law prohibits vulgarity and swearing in the classroom and allows discipline ranging from suspension to being expelled, no matter what background a student comes from.

“Everything that I do is designed for the mental health of the teacher,” Culberson said.

[zlala]

I don't know Ray Culberson, but I do remember well Julian Weaver when he was an assistant principle at my high school in Victorville, back in the 70's. Very few people (including students) thought highly of him. But he does have his supporters. I see not much has changed in his philosophy of "turn your head & look the other way."

Luckily there are now letters to the editor in the Daily Press speaking out against this enlightened "new professionalism." If we think publik skools are bad now...with this type of allowance, no family that has standards & expectations will be able to send their children there.

And to think we are all paying for this crap.

[WakeUpAndVote]

It's not swearing, it is ebonics. You just have to be more tolerant. /s

[dighton]

Culberson, director of youth services for the San Bernardino City Unified School District, said at a back-to-school inservice meeting that students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school . . .

The squishier the authority, the less respect they’ll get.

[zlala]

OH! That's right...shame one me. Call out the ACLU - defenders of the righteous & just. /s

[martin_fierro]

"If muthaf***in' 2X² + 4X -30 = 0, solve for muthaf***in' x!"

[mhking]

F*** that!

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me.

[Jaysun]

If we were in the business of raising serial killers and rapist I'd say give this man a raise and a raccoon fur hat! But as it is he should be arrested.

[L98Fiero]

Yep. You summed it up perfectly.

[Westlander]

Don't offend my pet animal with your correlation. She is trained, obedient, and faithful. Instead of you using the word 'animal', may I sugeest - The juice on the bottom of a garbage can.

[shezza]

...teachers need to learn to interpret their students’ body language. When a student is visibly agitated, the teacher might not want to push any buttons by asking if he or she

...brought in homework that day.
...finished the test.
...had an written excuse for being absent yesterday.
...would please sit down and be quiet.
...would stop interrupting class.
...would put away the knife.
(et cetera)

(I thank God every day we can homeschool.)

[BadAndy]

Their answer to this and any problem is to apply the same liberalism and "tolerance" which has destroyed the school system.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Culberson, director of youth services for the San Bernardino City Unified School District, said at a back-to-school inservice meeting that students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school...

Is this a joke???

This guy must have gone to some expensive private school.

[Dixie Yooper]

It's going to turn into DU, but you will be able to hear it instead of just reading it.

[snarks_when_bored]

If you don't expect better of them, you won't get it.

[Question_Assumptions]

Defining deviancy down.

[headstamp]

"Culberson, director of youth services for the San Bernardino City Unified School District, said at a back-to-school inservice meeting that students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school and consequently, some teachers have unrealistic expectations of their students."

Nothing like preparing the little darlings for the adult working world. Little Johnnie will be up on the roof with a rifle the first time he doesn't get his way at his first job or reaps the consequences of dropping the F-bomb when talking to his boss in a personnel meeting.

[Just another Joe]

It's not swearing, it is ebonics. You just have to be more tolerant.

Yo, yo, yo, dat not be dissin you, dat be da slang dat de kids be slingin now. Weuns jus needs ta get long.

[quadrant]

Both men should be fired immediately.

[Constitution Day]

"If muthaf***in' 2X2 + 4X -30 = 0, solve for muthaf***in' x!"

lmao

[Smokin' Joe]

Teachers tolerate swearing? F*** that!!! What is the world coming to anyway?

Swirling a little closer to the centerline on the drain....

[looscnnn]

students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school

So allowing them to continue to disrespect teachers autority will make a difference how?

When a student is visibly agitated, the teacher might not want to push any buttons by asking if he or she brought in homework that day.

Why bother making them do work then, we already pass them through without really educating them.

[Bigg Red]

The squishier the authority, the less respect they’ll get.

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Exactly! When I spent my year in hell, i.e., teaching in a public high school, I was told, "You can't expect these students to have your middle class values."

My answer was, "How elitist is that?"

[Tokra]

Yeah, but let the student say something good about Bush or the War on Terror and they'll be whisked away to the principal's office faster than you can say "tenure"!

[goldstategop]

But its verboten to pray to God. That will bring the ACLU down to your school in a New York minute. Swearing? That's free speech!

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

[Bigg Red]

If you are white we expect you to not curse and not cause any trouble. If you do, you get in trouble

If you are anything else you will not get in trouble, because we expect you to act like animals.


DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE HOW RACIST THESE LIBERALS ARE!?

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Bingo! See my #23.

[VRWCmember]

students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school and consequently, some teachers have unrealistic expectations of their students.

In other words, students don't respect you so you must accept their bad behavior. With geniuses like this making policies, it is little wonder that kids have less respect for authority.

[RockinRight]

There's no F@#*$ng way these little a**holes will be f&$#ing swearing in my mother$#&*@#@ classroom!

[VRWCmember]

When a student is visibly agitated, the teacher might not want to push any buttons by asking if he or she brought in homework that day.

Be sensitive. Don't "push buttons" by expecting them to follow instructions or comply with requirements.

[sonic109]

You hit it right on the head.

[Froufrou]

So where's the shot of a gansta rappa at the blackboard?

[David Isaac]

When I copied and pasted your Greek acronym, it was translated to lmao. Lambda Mu Alpha Omicron, in turn.

[VRWCmember]

Class, class, class, SHUT UP! Thank you. Young man, now give me that knife. (Thunk) Thank you...

[Constitution Day]

How funny! :)

[sonic109]

Good One ..I've yelled like that a few times at classes myself . I had a student curse me in class once. I threw him out so fast he didnt know what happened . Later on I met him one on one and told him in no uncertain terms where it was at with me. He was scared but also respected that I wouldnt take his gangsta crap for a second. Wound up being a nice kid to me and I was the only teacher who didnt have any trouble with him after that .

[VRWCmember]

I'm tired of this mother-****ing cussin' in my mother-****ing classroom.

[Froufrou]

Snakes on the Brain.

[Unam Sanctam]

And we wonder why we have continually declining standards of behavior in this country.

[lionheart 247365]

If you are a teacher , can you curse at your students when you get pi$$ed ???

[Robe]

Culberson is the personification of the Peter Principle

[steveegg]

Sums it up crudely, but perfectly.

[sonic109]

Officially NO!..The few times I have in 10 years no one said boo to me about it ( no one was willing to even look at me during those few times )

[Popocatapetl]

Pity that they essentially are advocating child neglect.

Children who are raised in ill-disciplined homes actually respond *better* to strong discipline provided elsewhere. It gives them the strength, stability and confidence that they have been lacking.

By accommodating, rather than correcting, their bad behaviors, their teachers not only instill in them even stronger feelings of alienation and neglect, but resentment as well.

Not ironically, this fits in well with the low expectations and subtle racism and class-hatred felt by their teachers and administrators. That their students are lower-class minorities not worth the effort to help improve, so they should be made to feel comfortable in their inferior status, because that is where they should remain.

[VRWCmember]

Nice catch.

[Coldwater Creek]

You are paying in more ways that one!!!

[photodawg]

Luckily there are now letters to the editor in the Daily Press speaking out against this enlightened "new professionalism." If we think publik skools are bad now...with this type of allowance, no family that has standards & expectations will be able to send their children there.

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This new professionalism has been around for the last 20 years or so. Its one of the reasons I was glad I was able to retire last year after 32 years of trying to hold down the fort in a suburban classroom. I survived, I didn't succeed. I learned after being sued for breaking up a fight, that you had no real authority. The inmates were running the asylum. I learned how to "handle" things myself and not rely on the administration. I never told a student anything I couldn't back up, and ran the classroom with my wits and my personality. I had to keep three moves ahead of the kids just to avoid the confrontations that would inevitably result in a student "victory" in the administrative courtroom.
For four years the lawsuit hung over my head, knowing that if I got "physical" with another student it would damage the existing case. I would keep unruly students after school for a few minutes and have the following conversation. I've already got my education, if you don't want yours I could care less. If you persist in disrupting the class, I'll make a fool of you in front of everyone. You'll never break me down because you can't get to me, I get back at you every other Friday. When the wide eyed youngster would then ask "what do you mean?". I would tell him "Every other Friday is pay day. And when I take that check to the bank I think of you and smile."
Many of the kids I had that conversation with have come back to see me and said Mr. Stowell you were right about things, my education was my responsibility.
Four years after the filing of the civil suit, it went to trial. Two wasted days of testimony resulted in a 1 hour jury deliberation, and a not guilty verdict, the foreman saying they would want the same response from the teacher if it was their child involved.

[Froufrou]

Thanks. Maria, you're right. I have a concept that by loosing our etiquette we are contributing to the moral suicide of the country. And that includes swearing in the classroom. I'd like to see the pledge returned, even if they strike "under G-d."

[weegee]

...students today have less respect for authority than they did when many teachers were in school and consequently, some teachers have unrealistic expectations of their students.

Defining deviancy down.

The antiestablishment left demanded that children question authority (but they did not tolerate anyone questioning the motives of the anarchist agitators). Now they are the establishment. Reap what you sow.

[Froufrou]

Maybe we should slant the curriculum to reflect a more buddhist feel: material stuff is whack and helping your brother is fly.

[AmericanChef]

What a way to keep kids stupid. This acceptable swearing and mouthing off will CERTAINLY be acceptable to employers when/if these delinquents go looking for a job. That school should be shut down.

Scum liberals are complete and total hypocrites. They want to keep slaves, and the only way to do that is to keep new generations ignorant, stupid, and dependent. It's sickening.