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Getting real about the real estate bubble
cnn.com ^ | 8-25-06 | Shawn Tully

Posted on 08/25/2006 8:57:15 AM PDT by Hydroshock

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- For the past five years, the housing bulls have been trotting out one rational-sounding argument after another to explain why the boom made perfect economic sense.

Forget about a crash, they assured homeowners. Expect a "soft landing" where your three-bedroom colonial in Larchmont or Larkspur not only holds onto its huge price gains, but keeps appreciating at a "normal," "sustainable" rate of 6 percent or so into the sunset.

Real estate slowdown New homes slump worsens

Pace of new home sales falls more than forecast as inventory builds, prices decline. (more) Freebies for home buyers Home sellers are trying to find creative ways to get buyers to sign on the dotted line. (more)

Americans wanted to believe, and they did. Now, the giant popping noise you're hearing is the sound of yesterday's myths exploding like balloons pumped up with too much hot air.

The newest sign that the myth-makers were spectacularly wrong is the data on existing home sales for July. Nationwide, median prices rose .9 percent.

But even that meager number masks the real story. Prices actually fell where housing is most vulnerable, in the bubble markets in the West and Northeast. In the Northeast, they dropped 2.1 percent from July of 2005, at the same time prices nationwide rose around 3 percent, meaning that houses lost over 5 percent of their value adjusted for inflation.

Homeowners just saw their wealth shrink, by a lot. The numbers will only get worse. It's time to examine the clichés that the "experts" - chiefly analysts and economists from realtors and mortgage associations - used to convince Americans that what they're seeing now could never happen. Here are the four great housing myths - and why they never made much sense in the first place.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


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1 posted on 08/25/2006 8:57:15 AM PDT by Hydroshock
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To: Hydroshock

Whenever someone says "this time it's different," it isn't. Period.


2 posted on 08/25/2006 8:58:51 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Hydroshock

Here is the real story. A newly re assessed home valued at $687,000.00 now up for sale. Asking price $885,000.00.


3 posted on 08/25/2006 9:03:55 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower Traffic Keep Right)
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To: Hydroshock
Homeowners just saw their wealth shrink, by a lot.

Tech Bubble under Clinton: "I have $2 Million in Enron stock! Whoo-Hoo! I can retire!"
Rude awakening Type A: "My Enron stock has no value. I have to keep working."
Rude awakening Type B:"My Enron stock has no value. Good thing I diversified."

Real estate bubble under Bush: "I have a beautiful home! It's a $1 Million mansion!"
Rude awakening Type A: "I have a beautiful home! It's a $750,000 mansion!"

Bubbles hurt people who have made dumb decisions. It's the nature of economics.

4 posted on 08/25/2006 9:04:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ( “I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings!” (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und will Knödel.))
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To: Hydroshock
"Homeowners just saw their wealth shrink, by a lot. The numbers will only get worse. It's time to examine the clichés that the "experts" - chiefly analysts and economists from realtors and mortgage associations - used to convince Americans that what they're seeing now could never happen."
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I think the one myth that never seems to get debunked is "your home is an investment". It isn't and never has been. It is a place where you want to live. The pull back in the market is not all that surprising and anybody who bought with the idea that the property would continue to climb in real terms throughout the time of ownership should not have bought. However, I don't believe there will be a collapse in values. Those that could afford what they bought will mostly stay put for a while and sell at break even or slight gains.
5 posted on 08/25/2006 9:05:23 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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"Here is the real story. A newly re assessed home valued at $687,000.00 now up for sale. Asking price $885,000.00.

Just curious. Since when does "asking price" constitute a REAL sale price?

6 posted on 08/25/2006 9:11:47 AM PDT by FixitGuy
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To: wmfights

"However, I don't believe there will be a collapse in values. Those that could afford what they bought will mostly stay put for a while and sell at break even or slight gains."

Depends on where you live. I can see prices in CA dropping as every business owner leaves the state causing supply to outstrip demand. Here in Florida prices will continue to increase but at a slower rate.


7 posted on 08/25/2006 9:12:07 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: ClearCase_guy

In your example the real estate investor fared much better. Enron investors basically lost all, but the real estate decline will reverse over time, plus the "loss" was just 25%.


8 posted on 08/25/2006 9:12:11 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Don't mess with Israel.)
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To: Hydroshock

I read the entire article and the explanation of the myths was pretty much on target. I predict a 12-20% delcine nationwide in the prices of a lot of homes in the overbuilt housing markets between now and 1st qtr 2008.


9 posted on 08/25/2006 9:12:47 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Disambiguator
Any stock has the possibility of losing all of it's value. Companies go out of business. This is not news.

Homes can lose a lot of value (25% loss of value is extreme). But I don't think you can point to any house in America and say, "That has no value. You want it? Take it. It's free."

10 posted on 08/25/2006 9:14:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ( “I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings!” (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und will Knödel.))
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To: wmfights

I agree, real estate is illiquid. Anyone owning one home/property needs that as a place to live. Most second-property owners can afford to sit back and wait for markets to improve. Those over-extended in RE are likely to have to dump property and take a loss, but transactions take a lot of time, and our population is growing fast. Very fast. At least here in Colorado where we have a massive influx of immigrants. The only thing that would make prices crash hard is if everyone tries to unload at once. I don't see it happening.


11 posted on 08/25/2006 9:15:55 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: ClearCase_guy
Bubbles hurt people who have made dumb decisions. It's the nature of economics.

It's a lot more than that. Everyone was touting the rising prices of homes as the future wealth of America - even Bush.

12 posted on 08/25/2006 9:17:50 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: RSmithOpt
I read the entire article and the explanation of the myths was pretty much on target. I predict a 12-20% delcine nationwide in the prices of a lot of homes in the overbuilt housing markets between now and 1st qtr 2008.

That's about inline with my expectations. It's going to be brutal in the overbuilt and oversold bubble markets(Boston, San Diego, etc).
13 posted on 08/25/2006 9:19:59 AM PDT by Truth-The Anti Spin
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To: ClearCase_guy

I went through this the other day with a guy, but you are 99.99% right. The only exceptions being those cases (see them a lot on HGTV) where the city cannot even get a bid to tear down a house, so they "sell" the house for $1 on the promise that the new owner will live in and rehab the house. I saw some they did in Chicago -- 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, ALL BRICK, VICTORIAN MANSIONS SELLING FOR $1. These are inner city shut downs now, where the value of the home is less than the value of the crack that could be vacuumed from between the floor boards.


14 posted on 08/25/2006 9:20:44 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: wmfights

I have always looked at my house as an important, valuable family asset. I have to pay to live somewhere.


15 posted on 08/25/2006 9:21:08 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: wmfights
However, I don't believe there will be a collapse in values. Those that could afford what they bought will mostly stay put for a while and sell at break even or slight gains.

Come on, don't you realize the sky is falling?/sarcasm off

16 posted on 08/25/2006 9:23:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Hydroshock
From the article...

In the Northeast, they dropped 2.1 percent from July of 2005, at the same time prices nationwide rose around 3 percent, meaning that houses lost over 5 percent of their value adjusted for inflation.

can somebody explain this math ? I mean, besides a Democrat explaining a program cut ...
17 posted on 08/25/2006 9:24:03 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: wmfights
Homeowners just saw their wealth shrink, by a lot.

How? They still have a house. Getting upset over paper losses is for idiots.

18 posted on 08/25/2006 9:24:17 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: Disambiguator
In your example the real estate investor fared much better. Enron investors basically lost all, but the real estate decline will reverse over time, plus the "loss" was just 25%.

However, most real estate is owned with a lot of leverage. some of the more aggressive "affordability" mortgage products have 0 or even negative equity contribution from the owner. If I own something outright that goes down 25%, no biggy. If I own something with 20% down which goes down 25%, I am screwed should the bank want its money back.

19 posted on 08/25/2006 9:25:11 AM PDT by nj_pilot
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To: Hydroshock

My own property has been holding steady for 40 years. I can't imagine there is any kind of bubble here even if people are always making offers--usually offers to steal below market.


20 posted on 08/25/2006 9:25:27 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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