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What Terror? The Protestant Crusade Conspiracy
Spiegel on line ^ | August 23, 2006 | By Brenda Strohmaier

Posted on 08/23/2006 4:33:13 AM PDT by aculeus

Who planted the bombs on German trains? Depends on who you ask. Many Muslims in Germany think it's government conspiracy. Just like with Sept. 11. And London....

This just in: The Lebanese men suspected of having deposited bombs on German trains last months were hired hands -- in the employ of German government itself.

That, at least, is what one 27-year-old from Saudi Arabia believes. "It's all a Protestant crusade," the man explains. "All of northern Germany is Protestant, isn't it? And so is President Bush." Then the man launches into a melange of confusing arguments and historical facts. The bubonic plague, Martin Luther and former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl all make a cameo. It's all connected somehow, the man is sure of it.

The young Saudi Arabian's views may make little sense from a Western point of view, but you can meet him and talk to him at a street corner in the middle of Hamburg, right by the central station. Foreigners from all over the world live in this neighborhood, called St. Georg, and a large number of them are Muslim. Several mosques have been built in the neighborhood. Many nearby stores carry no alcohol -- but they do have electronic memory aides for Koran students on offer.

And then there are the conspiracy theories. They are everywhere -- dozens of them -- including some to explain away Germany's recent terror scare. The others -- some mutually contradictory -- have pat explanations for what's really going on in the world.

(Excerpt) Read more at service.spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Germany; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911conspiracy; conspiracytheory
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It ain't paranoia.

It's stupidity.

1 posted on 08/23/2006 4:33:13 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
"It's all a Protestant crusade," the man explains.

I'm happy that at least some Muslims have learned the difference between Protestants and Catholics. being a Catholic I'm feeling much safer now :))
2 posted on 08/23/2006 4:42:02 AM PDT by pppp
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They don't believe their own half-witted conspiracy theories. I've seen at least a dozen man-on-the-street interviews with these nutjobs, where they say that Muslims didn't do it, AND brag about how smart the Jihad is, all in one breath.

Its indicative of how broad the support is for terror in the general muslim communities.


3 posted on 08/23/2006 4:42:58 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: P-Marlowe

They're on to the GRPL!


4 posted on 08/23/2006 4:44:32 AM PDT by Loyalist (Social justice isn't; social studies aren't; social work doesn't.)
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To: aculeus

The Drool Bucket Brigade has gone global!


5 posted on 08/23/2006 4:44:40 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: pppp

At least they didn't blame it on the Illuminati.


6 posted on 08/23/2006 4:45:47 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: aculeus

No, it is simply a requirement Islam.


7 posted on 08/23/2006 4:47:35 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: aculeus

No kidding, folks, but such thinking is typical of at least half the Arabs I have met. Paranoia is their normal mode of thought.


8 posted on 08/23/2006 4:47:35 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: aculeus
The bubonic plague, Martin Luther and former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl all make a cameo. It's all connected somehow, the man is sure of it.

Don't forget about remote viewing, crop circles, bigfoot, and the Philadelphia experiment I'm sure it's all related somehow.

9 posted on 08/23/2006 4:47:38 AM PDT by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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It ain't paranoia. It's stupidity.

It's projection.

10 posted on 08/23/2006 4:51:10 AM PDT by Ford4000
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I think it is not limited to arabs, I know a few muslims from Pakistan, and they are equally as paranoid and obsessed with conspiracy theories.


11 posted on 08/23/2006 4:53:26 AM PDT by Ironfocus (Love, faith, honor, integrity, duty......)
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To: aculeus

These people are nuts. They should go hang out with Cindy Sheehan.

It's particularly amusing since virtually nobody in Germany, Protestant or Catholic, even goes to church anymore. Somehow, I don't see a crusade coming out of that milieu! Unless, of course, the Germans get sick of it all and do what the original Crusades were intended to do - dislodge the Muslims from Christian properties they had taken over and set free the Christians being held in slavery by them. But I guess the jihadi-schen would prefer not to talk about that.


12 posted on 08/23/2006 4:53:35 AM PDT by livius
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And you wonder just what are they teaching in these very wonderful schools that the hezbos and other terrorist groups are "building". I thought it was just to put children in harms way of the bunkers underneath but I guess it is much more than that.
13 posted on 08/23/2006 4:57:35 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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What about the mobs, in Palestine and elsewhere, that celebrated on 9/11? They didn't believe it was a government or Zionist conspiracy.
14 posted on 08/23/2006 5:00:14 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: aculeus

Wait! You mean it wasn't the Jews?

I thought all conspiracies to make Muslims look bad were formed by the Jews.

Did I not get an important memo or something?


15 posted on 08/23/2006 5:04:09 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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Ohhhhhhhh. I see now. All the civilized people of the world are attacking themselves, just to make the barbarians look bad. What an incredibly clever plan that is...


16 posted on 08/23/2006 5:10:10 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rugged individualists of the world, unite!)
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To: SampleMan
I've seen at least a dozen man-on-the-street interviews with these nutjobs, where they say that Muslims didn't do it, AND brag about how smart the Jihad is, all in one breath.

Exactly. For anyone that's not familiar with the nuances of Arab culture, they don't take criticism well. They'll deny any harsh truth on the merits of it sounding bad, and placing them in a bad light, without any real consideration for the statement being accurate or not. On the other side of the coin, they'll make ridiculous boasts and claims that are clearly not true, but sound good.

It's very different from the Asian concept of saving face, where the truth is a vital aspect of what respect is given or lost. For Arab culture, the truth is largely immaterial. It's almost all appearance. So the statement, "We don't make Jihad, it's all a Crusader plot to discredit us, but when we make Jihad, we're invincible", makes perfect sense to them. It blames others for their failure, while maintains an illogically high level of confidence.

They're not looking for the truth at all, they're looking for ways to confirm their belief that Islam and Arabs are superior. Once you understand that, none of their statements will seem confusing.

17 posted on 08/23/2006 5:12:20 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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"It's all a Protestant crusade," the man explains. "All of northern Germany is Protestant, isn't it?

Well, they DO send in their checks every month.

18 posted on 08/23/2006 5:57:51 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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It's very different from the Asian concept of saving face, where the truth is a vital aspect of what respect is given or lost. For Arab culture, the truth is largely immaterial. It's almost all appearance.

Interesting observation!

19 posted on 08/23/2006 5:58:58 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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To: aculeus
It ain't paranoia.

It's stupidity.

It ain't stupidity.

It's evil.

20 posted on 08/23/2006 6:04:37 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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