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US Establishes Base in Bin Laden’s Backyard: 21 killed
Afgha ^ | 8/17/2006 | Matt DuPee

Posted on 08/21/2006 6:02:19 PM PDT by wjersey

In the small rural community of Kamdesh, Nuristan province, US troops recently constructed a base that houses hundreds of troops, making it the first such outpost of its kind to be built in one of the most untamed areas of Afghanistan.

The base at Kamdesh is dug into a rugged mountain side that backs up to a sheer mountain side; prime real estate in the insurgent saturated northeast. Serving as an extension of forward operating base Naray, which lies due south in Kunar province, Kamdesh aims to reach further into the northern areas, namely Nuristan, to help the locals with water and road construction projects. However, the aims of the US in this area are far from whimsical; rather the decision is simply strategic.

Just a few miles from the Pakistani border, these isolated bases serve as the tip of the US spearhead into enemy terrority. Local loyalties run deep with Hekmatyar’s Hezb-i-Islami factions, who also maintain an ongoing relationship with both Taliban remnants and al Qaeda factions throughout the Afghan northeast and Pakistan.

Long thought to be Usama Bin Laden’s elusive lair, it is made up of formidable geographic challenges- high mountains, thick forests, low cloud cover, and nearly is impassable during the winter. The US intend on dismantling the Hekmetyar apparatus while systematically routing the al Qaeda fighters from the area, including decapitation strikes against their leadership.

The bridge building and infrastructure improvement initiatives are attempts to reward the local communities and entice them to provide any meaningful scrap of intelligence on the whereabouts of such unsavory characters as Bin Laden, Hekmetyar and Dr. Zawarhiri.

An Unholy Trinity of Northeastern Insurgents

Al Qaeda, Hezb-i-Islami and Taliban groups are all active in this area. Going back to September of 2002, a video of Bin Laden and Zawarhiri, both dressed like Nuristani shepherds, was broadcast to the world. These images are widely believed to have been filmed in this northeastern corridor. A geographical analysis scrutinizing the foliage, trees and rock formations seen in the video’s background helped indicate their location. Many analysts believe that Bin Laden and Zawarhiri continue to dwell somewhere along this extremely rugged enclave and that it is unlikely bin Laden has moved far from this area.

Since the area has little to no allegiance to the central Afghan government and the lack of US troops here over the years, al Qaeda was able to establish a formidable horde in Kunar and Nuristan. A shura council elected an Egyptian commander known as Abu Ikhlas al-Masri as the emir of Kunar/Nuristan in 2005. He is reported to command up to 170 men and has lived in the area for almost twenty years. Along with him is a rogue Taliban commander by the name of Ahmed Shah, also known as Mullah Ismail.

Ismail gained notoriety last year when he and his men killed three out of the four US Navy reconnaissance commandos sent to observe/arrest him. His men later shot down the Navy squad’s reinforcement helicopter, killing a further 16 US servicemen, all of whom were elite special commandos. The ferocity of the incident in such a desolate area made many believe the commandos had stumbled upon the outer rings of bin Laden’s security circle.

Finally, early this year gave the clearest evidence yet that senior al Qaeda leadership continues to operate and find sanctuary amongst these fearsome northeastern enclaves. Only miles across the border from Kunar/Nuristan, a compound located in Damdola was rocked by a blistering CIA missile barrage. Numerous civilians were thought to be killed and most of the structures were reduced to rubble. Although the attack failed to kill the intended target, the nefarious Dr. al Zawarhiri, it is speculated several of his Egyptian lieutenants, including Abu Khabab al Masri and Abu Obaidah al Masri, were wiped out. Despite the serious militant threat and geographical challenges, Naray and Kamdesh may well serve as the stepping stones for US forces into the inner security sanctum of these three organizations.

Kamdesh Attacked

Within three weeks of the newly established firebase at Kamdesh, a well orchestrated attack was launched from three sides against the entrenched US forces. Speculated to have been Hezb-i-Islami militants, the marauding force unleashed a hailstorm of machine gun and RPG fire to assault the American garrison.

The fierce firefight lasted two hours, pitting American howitzer and mortar fire against a well armed and highly mobile foe.. US forces sustained two wounded soldiers during the fight and no damage was reported to the base itself. The engagement ended after US jets flew bombing runs over the craggy mountain sides and dropped 500 lb. munitions on the militants’ positions. As the smoke settled, 19 dead militants were yanked from the battlefield.

Only days later the US garrison was ferociously attacked again, this time resulting in the deaths of 3 US troops and leaving three others wounded. Details about the incident remained murky as the US command only made a quick mentioning of the attack on Friday the 11th. One thing is clear; US forces have bed down in an active Vipers nest where extremely violent encounters will soon become routine. Further escalations from both sides is a given as they’ll battle it out for the support of the locals, something the insurgents currently have the upper hand in.

The establishment at Kamdesh is drawing the conclusions many analysts have been predicting all along; the Kunar/Nuristan corridor is an insurgent haven that borders an equally un-patrolled liberated zone (FATA) that is likely housing some of the areas most wanted militants. Only time will tell what benefits the Coalition will reap by posting themselves in one of the last militant bastions of the country. With the south under NATO control, and resources being shifted from Iraq with the recent demise of Abu Musab al Zarqawi, FOB Naray and Kamdesh may serve as the springboard to finally eliminate the upper echelons of the most wanted militant groups in Afghanistan. It’s a mystery why these bases were not established five years ago.


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"It’s a mystery why these bases were not established five years ago." -- I agree
1 posted on 08/21/2006 6:02:21 PM PDT by wjersey
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To: wjersey

Iraq was a priority. Begging the question...


2 posted on 08/21/2006 6:04:58 PM PDT by zarf
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To: wjersey
"It’s a mystery why these bases were not established five years ago." -- I agree

What's riduculous is that it's necessary to have one now. A UAV found bin Lauden back in the fall of 2001, but some Pentagon lawyers ordered the Air Force not to fire the Hellfire missles onboard at bin Lauden.

3 posted on 08/21/2006 6:06:34 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: wjersey

The men serving at this base deserve the thanks of their nation. I hope someday we know who their names.


4 posted on 08/21/2006 6:14:23 PM PDT by RedRover (God bless our troops!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
What's riduculous is that it's necessary to have one now. A UAV found bin Lauden back in the fall of 2001, but some Pentagon lawyers ordered the Air Force not to fire the Hellfire missles onboard at bin Lauden.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't Bin Ladin, but rather the one-eyed Mullah Omar.

5 posted on 08/21/2006 6:14:45 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: wjersey; SandRat; Gucho; jmc1969

Happy Hunting, good soldiers.


6 posted on 08/21/2006 6:16:42 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Yossarian

Mullah Omar isn't 6'5". The report I read said they saw a very tall man.


7 posted on 08/21/2006 6:17:43 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: wjersey
"As the smoke settled, 19 dead militants were yanked from the battlefield."

It's a mystery to me why anyone calls these terrorist scum "militants."

Huey Newton was a "militant;" these muslims are just pig sh!t.

8 posted on 08/21/2006 6:23:18 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; Grampa Dave; ...

9 posted on 08/21/2006 6:27:07 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: wjersey

Pray for these young warriors, they are in the belly of the beast.


10 posted on 08/21/2006 6:27:15 PM PDT by McGavin999 (God watch over the young lions of Israel as they fight Hell's Bullies)
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To: Paleo Conservative

No, the incident in 2001 was Mullah Omar, the one you are thinking of was Clinton was in the WH, before 9-11


11 posted on 08/21/2006 6:28:59 PM PDT by McGavin999 (God watch over the young lions of Israel as they fight Hell's Bullies)
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To: wjersey
...decapitation strikes against their leadership.

Oooh I likes the sound of that!

12 posted on 08/21/2006 6:38:07 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: wjersey

"It’s a mystery why these bases were not established five years ago."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu

Not saying that's what it is I just hope they learned the lessons.


13 posted on 08/21/2006 6:49:45 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: wjersey
Hmm...anyone who thinks that U.S. troops can't function in that environment just as well if not better than the natives doesn't know them. They may or may not stick around after the first snow due to logistics issues, but their presence until then is a real problem for the bad guys.

Now for the propaganda part. The hold the tribals have over the area sways with the power of the moment (as it has for all of recorded history) and if the terrorists can say "here is a place where you may not go" the locals pretty much have to put up with it. If they wind up getting hunted and hounded, the tribes will be the first to learn of it. We need to help that process along.

14 posted on 08/21/2006 6:54:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: wjersey
An Unholy Trinity of Northeastern Insurgents

Yeah, Kerry's and Kennedy's Massachusetts and Clinton's and Schumer's New York!!!

15 posted on 08/21/2006 7:01:58 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: bkepley

It's not much fun being the bait.


16 posted on 08/21/2006 7:08:43 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: bkepley
The main reasons the French lost at Dien Bien Phu was the lack of effective air support and that the PRC supplied 105mm artillery pieces (originally given to China by the U.S.) to Viet Minh.

The Taliban don't have artillery except for mortars and we have very effective air support.

17 posted on 08/21/2006 7:13:47 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: Alas Babylon!

LOL


18 posted on 08/21/2006 7:22:16 PM PDT by pissant
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To: COEXERJ145

And guys that love shooting jihadis.


19 posted on 08/21/2006 7:22:47 PM PDT by pissant
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To: wjersey
"It’s a mystery why these bases were not established five years ago." -- I agree

Things in realtime cannot be established as quickly as they do in cyberspace. There are hurdles that the armchair viewers cannot even begin to comprehend.

God bless our military. As we sit and chat in the comfort of our homes, they are sitting in the viper's nest.

20 posted on 08/21/2006 7:29:59 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Chena

"God bless our military. As we sit and chat in the comfort of our homes, they are sitting in the viper's nest."

Yes, Chena.

And those men are about to avenge the earlier losses incurred in the area.


21 posted on 08/21/2006 7:43:44 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Free Iran! WARNING! Forbidden Cartoon: .. . *-O(( :-{>. . . .)
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To: SaxxonWoods
And those men are about to avenge the earlier losses incurred in the area.

It's my hope and prayer.

22 posted on 08/21/2006 8:01:50 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: SandRat

bttt


23 posted on 08/21/2006 8:10:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Chena

SPOT ON!


24 posted on 08/21/2006 8:11:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: wjersey
Sounds like Dien Bien Phu ..... but is probably intended to be more like Khe Sanh, which it likely will be. That is, it will be a magnet to suck the bad guys in to get killed.
25 posted on 08/21/2006 8:35:48 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: bkepley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu

Not saying that's what it is I just hope they learned the lessons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khe_Sanh

They learned that lesson some time ago.

26 posted on 08/21/2006 8:39:39 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: nopardons

Thanks for the support, nopardons. My son calls it "flashbacks", or my "passion". I just can't stop feeling like a mom and patriot to every single man and woman serving in our military. I fear and pray for them every day, and for their families too. I sure hope that those brave souls stationed at this base will kill the head of the beast.


27 posted on 08/21/2006 8:40:34 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Chena

Yes, I know what you mean. I too pray for our brave troops, every night.


28 posted on 08/21/2006 8:42:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: COEXERJ145
The Taliban don't have artillery except for mortars and we have very effective air support.

These boys, or their earlier model ancestors, were at Khe Sanh, and they will likely be hanging around this base as well.

However I wouldn't be too surprised to find the Talibunnies in possession of the same sort of rockets, from the same sources, as Hzb'allah. Those make pretty good artillery, if you have enough of them.

29 posted on 08/21/2006 8:50:25 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: nopardons

I know they all appreciate our prayers. Thank you so much. I'm going to sign off now. I've got my hackles up tonight and I don't want to get myself into trouble. Not due to this thread, of course. :)

Be well, be safe, and we'll see ya later....IF I'm dumb enough to log back on. ;)


30 posted on 08/21/2006 8:51:32 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Pikachu_Dad
It's not much fun being the bait.

True indeed, but watching the bad guys being shot, bombed and otherwise sent to gather their virgins, well before they get to the wire is some consolation.

31 posted on 08/21/2006 8:52:46 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
I don't think they'd have enough rockets (if any at all) to do serious damage.

Of course the most destructive air support during Khe Sanh was the B-52 strikes.

32 posted on 08/21/2006 8:56:04 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: Chena

Nighty nite.......take care. :-)


33 posted on 08/21/2006 8:58:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

We are sending troops into areas of Afghanistan where are presence has been small. One was Helman province in the Sought. Nato has taken over that area and last report has about a 1000 Taliban killed since the operaton has began.

Hopefully the same thing will happen in these two provinces in the North.


34 posted on 08/21/2006 8:59:01 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: wjersey

Why because we didn't have you geniuses planning all this.


35 posted on 08/21/2006 9:03:25 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

That is Bullshit. Oh, thats right Geraldo told us it was so.


36 posted on 08/21/2006 9:04:10 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Chena

God Bless you and these young heroes. And damn those treacherous PoS who undermine them and aid our enemies.


37 posted on 08/21/2006 9:07:02 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Parley Baer
Hopefully they ( NATO troops ) will round up and kill even more Taliban in the North.
38 posted on 08/21/2006 9:22:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Chena

May God go with our brave warriors.. I pray for them daily and thank God we have them to serve and protect us..


39 posted on 08/21/2006 10:26:41 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES.)
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To: pissant
"And guys that love shooting jihadis."

We need to learn (again) that as long as we focus on killing "bad guys" we just guarantee our ultimate defeat. That's not the way you fight an insurgency, as we realized too late in Vietnam.

Since insurgents, by definition, cannot be distinguished from ordinary civilians, the only way you can defeat an insurgency by force is by killing everybody. And it's pretty stinkin' hard to kill everybody in a rugged, thinly populated Third World toilet like Afghanistan -- even if you have overwhelming firepower. Not to mention they have a sanctuary over the border in Waziristan.

Nope, we should do as little killing as we can in Afghanistan while limiting the threat to civilians as much as possible. Meanwhile we need to win over ordinary Afghans by making their lives better -- providing roads, telecommunications, clean water, agricultural aid, schools and teachers, economic development, medical care, etc. -- all the things that make peace better than war for Achmed the farmer and Abdul the shoemaker.

40 posted on 03/08/2007 7:08:43 PM PST by Roman_Arch (When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.)
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To: Roman_Arch

"pitting American howitzer and mortar fire against a well armed and highly mobile foe.."

Another crappy piece of liberal writing to make it sound like we Americans have 1 piece of weaponry against a well armed enemy. Guess who died? 19 of the "highly mobile foe"...some mobility - hope they are "mobile" in hell!!!

I just can't stand our liberal communist jihadi journalists! Man, why can't we trade some of them for gitmo prisoners...


41 posted on 03/08/2007 7:13:05 PM PST by princess leah
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To: princess leah
Uh, helping you out with your math here leah, that would be TWO pieces of weaponry (howitzers and mortars) "against a well-armed enemy."

And that's exactly how we should fight insurgents when we can hit 'em without endangering civilians or destroying infrastructure. Pour on the firepower and let the bodies rot.

But killing cannon fodder should not be confused with progress in the war. That's the old Whack-A-Mole game insurgents want you to play. They lose nothing when a few footsoldiers are killed, and they actually gain prestige for standing up to the powerful Americans. They also gain another handful of martyrs they can put on posters to recruit more cannon fodder. We achieve very little, aside from temporary safety.

Unfortunately, our enemies in Afghanistan have considerable mobility because they move on foot in terrain that puts severe limitations on vehicles. We are more mobile when we can combine helicopters and foot travel, but dangerously predictable when we use the roads. That's how the Soviets got their butts kicked, depending on those crappy roads.

As for well-armed ... they don't give any details so who can say. But a guerrilla fighter needs only an AK-47 and couple hundred rounds to be well-armed in my book.

42 posted on 03/08/2007 8:23:37 PM PST by Roman_Arch (When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.)
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To: RedRover

The men of Able troop 3-71 Cavalry 10th Mountain Division lived there for nearly a year. The base was later named Camp Keating, after the unit’s XO who died to protect his men.


43 posted on 04/08/2010 10:42:13 AM PDT by 10thmtnsuperscout
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