Judge allows Ten Commandments monument

Yahoo ^

[Jorge]

The ACLU thinks that if they erase all reference to or of GOD, that GOD will just disappear! Boy, are they in for a surprise!

Exactly. And take a guess who's behind all efforts to "erase" God from existance?
You know WHO....is doomed and wants to drag as many souls to Hell with him as possible.

People think this is a freakin joke, but when history is written and they have no second chances, it's not going to be funny at all.

And they can thank agents like the ACLU for helping to seal their fates.

[RasterMaster]

[shield]

When the 10 Commandments were removed from public schools...kids changed a lot. None stop sex, drugs, drinking and violence...attitude whatever feels right must be right.

[RasterMaster]

[doc1019]

Eternity is eternity!

[RasterMaster]

[Intolerant in NJ]

Micheal Salem, an attorney representing the American Civil Liberties Union and Stigler resident James W. Green, said he thought "the court's decision really represents a loss for religious freedom."...actually it's an endorsement of religious freedom - Christians and Jews whose faith guides them through the ups and downs of daily life may now experience a bit more hope and encouragement when reminded of that faith on seeing the Ten Commandments monument - and the judge was wise not to violate their Constitutional right to the free exercise of their religion by banning the monument......

[Van Jenerette]

"..all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..."

This is not a religious neutral statement. In order for this to be carried into society, the people as a whole must acknowledge the exhistence of God. If there is no GOD, this statement is usless and void.

Without 'Creator' the statement then becomes 'arguable' as to the source of rights. Then, who ever has the most 'power' to force their version of rights(or CREATOR) WINS, and the weak are left only with those rights the powerful dispense. Period.

For example: An individuals rights under the concept of Christian RIGHTS are a whole lot different than those individual rights under the concept of Hindu RIGHTS.

Under Atheist, or Darwinist...rights are the peragotive of the stronger or the most suited to survive, in that order.

It's a paradox. Even 'no-religion-anti-christ-no-nothings' are better off under a system of Christian based governance.

best,

Katherine & Van Jenerette

www.jenerette.com/senate

[Dante3]

The ACLU really has a problem with the Ten Commandments, among others. They certainly do not like anything that promotes good character and despise any code of conduct. The ACLU does, however, come swinging in favor of pedophiles.

[Obie Wan]

Hey,a judge who actually knows what the Constitution says.amaaaaaaaaaazing !!!

[TexasJackFlash]

My concept of religious freedom is for me to be as free as the air I breathe from government influence on my religious opinions and the manner and methods I employ to discharge my obligation to render to God such homage, and such homage only, as is dictated by my conscience and my convictions.

I would be outraged if I walked by a Ten Commandment Display in a Court House setting and felt, even the least bit, that the authority of the government was being employed to attempt to influence my religious sentiments. Even if I held the sentiments that were suggested or recommended in the display, I would be offended.

I have no objection to the display of the civil commandments of the Ten Commandments which stated briefly are don't murder, don't steal, don't bear false witness, don't commit adultery, respect your parents and don't covet your neighbor's possessions. However, I have a fierce objection to the religious commandment of Ten Commandments which are,

* I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

* You shall have no other gods before me.

* You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

* You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

* Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.

Violations of the Sabbath commandment meant death. Exodus 31:12-15 reads as follows:

And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily ye shall keep my sabbaths: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am Jehovah who sanctifieth you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that profaneth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to Jehovah: whosoever doeth any work on the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

God directed the Israelites, as recorded in Numbers 15:32-36, to kill a man because he gathered wood on the Sabbath.

[TexasJackFlash]

Christians and Jews whose faith guides them through the ups and downs of daily life may now experience a bit more hope and encouragement when reminded of that faith on seeing the Ten Commandments monument.

A genuine Christan is one acknowledges the absolute and exclusive authority of Christ over his salvation, his religious opinions and his religious actions. A genuine Christan takes his religious commands, directions, recommendations, suggestions and advice from Christ, and from Christ alone.

A true Christian would not even read much less actually reflect on or consider complying with any advice of a religious nature from the civil government that might appear on some Ten Government Religious Recommendations Monument. A true Christian, such as Founding Father Isaac Backus, would refuse to perform any act that would imply that any government had authority over his religion. Backus might refuse to pay taxes to the County until the monument was removed

[Intolerant in NJ]

A true Christian, such as Founding Father Isaac Backus, would refuse to perform any act that would imply that any government had authority over his religion. Backus might refuse to pay taxes to the County until the monument was removed...I'm guessing then that a true Christian would be unable to attend religious services in virtually any Church in this country, their having been built according to constructin codes and maintained under safety and sanitary standards established by national and local governments - just because government in performing its rightful functions acquiesces with and even assists religious bodies does not mean that it is attempting to influence the substance of the religion - anyhow, for this apparently counterfeit Christian, as long as a religious group sponsored and designed the monument, I see no reason to shun it as a reminder and symbol of God's presence and influence in our everyday lives......

[TexasJackFlash]

I'm guessing then that a true Christian would be unable to attend religious services in virtually any Church in this country, their having been built according to construction codes and maintained under safety and sanitary standards established by national and local governments.

Are you familiar with the theory of two spheres? One sphere is the temporal/physical sphere which we can see and touch. The other sphere is that one that Christ was talking about when he said, "My Kingdom is not of this word." I have collected many letters, speeches, essays and other writings where a reference is made to the two spheres. Here is one I just happen to have handy right now. Ulysses S. Grant said the following in his seventh annual address (State of the Union address) to the Congress, December 7, 1875:

As this will be the last annual message which I shall have the honor of transmitting to Congress before my successor is chosen, I will repeat or recapitulate the questions which I deem of vital importance which may be legislated upon and settled at this session: First. That the States shall be required to afford the opportunity of a good common-school education to every child within their limits. Second. No sectarian tenets shall ever be taught in any school supported in whole or in part by the State, nation, or by the proceeds of any tax levied upon any community. Make education compulsory so far as to deprive all persons who can not read and write from becoming voters after the year 1890, disfranchising none, however, on grounds of illiteracy who may be voters at the time this amendment takes effect. Third. Declare church and state forever separate and distinct, but each free within their proper spheres; and that all church property shall bear its own proportion of taxation (emphasis added). (A Compilation of the Messages and Papers of the Presidents. Vol. X. New York: Bureau of National Literature, Inc., 1897, p. 4310).

[TexasJackFlash]

I'm guessing then that a true Christian would be unable to attend religious services in virtually any Church in this country, their having been built according to constructin codes and maintained under safety and sanitary standards established by national and local governments.

Why would a true Christian be unable to attend religious services in a Church built according to civil construction codes? Constructions codes do not address the duty which we owe to our Creator.

[MamaTexan]

I have no objection to the display of the civil commandments of the Ten Commandments which stated briefly are don't murder, don't steal, don't bear false witness, don't commit adultery, respect your parents and don't covet your neighbor's possessions. However, I have a fierce objection to the religious commandment of Ten Commandments which are,

The first 5 Commandments are moral duties, sometimes called 'vertical' laws. These laws are (or are not, depending on your beliefs) punishable only by God.

The last 5 Commandment are both moral and civil duties, sometimes called 'horizontal' laws. Violations of these are punishable by man AND God.

In law (as far as I can tell, anyway) the meaning of 'adultery' is breach of contact, and 'covet' is where punishments for premeditated murder and conspiracy come from.

No one is going to force your to observe the sabbath day and keep it Holy if it is against your conscience to do so, but a display of only 5 of the 10 Commandments would look rather ludicrous, IMHO.

[TexasJackFlash]

..as long as a religious group sponsored and designed the monument, I see no reason to shun it as a reminder and symbol of God's presence and influence in our everyday lives...

Do you really want the government to have the power to remind you of your duties to God? What if it decides you should be "reminded" not to baptize infants? Do you want it to have the power to put up monuments or bill boards or run TV spots that advise against, or in favor of, infant baptism?

[TexasJackFlash]

Are you saying that civil government should have the authority to punish one who has another God before the one that brought the Children of Israel out of bondage in the land of Egypt? What would you suggest the punishment be?

[MamaTexan]

Are you saying that civil government should have the authority to punish one who has another God before the one that brought the Children of Israel out of bondage in the land of Egypt?

That is NOT what I said in any way, shape or form.

Please reread my post before engaging you Religious Defense Shields.

[TexasJackFlash]

Are you saying that civil government should have the authority to punish one who has another God before the one that brought the Children of Israel out of bondage in the land of Egypt?

That is NOT what I said in any way, shape or form.

Please reread my post before engaging you Religious Defense Shields.

I am pleased with your answer but ya cudda fooled me with yer statement, mama. I read it several times. What exactly did you mean?