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[Wallace T.]

If the Jewish calendar had remained in place, then there would be no problem in using it. The fact is that our calendar is Roman in origin, not Christian, except for the AD/BC divide. Even the days of the week are Germanic interpretations of the original Roman terms, for example Monday (moon-day) is a Germanized version of what the French call lundi and the Romans dies luna. Since the Romans ruled such a large territory, ranging from Scotland to Iraq and from the Netherlands to the Sudan at its peak, it is natural that the Roman calendar became the dominant one. The years were then divided at what we call 753 BC, the year Rome was founded, ab urbe condita. Since the Christian Church was the dominant social institution in most of Europe following the fall of Rome, it is understandable that the dividing line would shift from the founding of Rome to the year, 1 AD, churchmen believed was that of Christ's birth.

As Britain, Spain, France, and other European powers expanded globally after 1492, the European calendar became the one universally accepted.

[blam]

You don't know what you're talking about. Go read some (current) books then come back with some comments.

Professor Victor Mair

Victor H. Mair is Professor of Chinese Language and Literature in the Department of East Asian Languages and Civilizations at the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, United States. Professor Mair has edited the standard Columbia History of Chinese Literature and the Columbia Anthology of Traditional Chinese Literature.

Dr. Mair received his Ph.D. from Harvard University in 1976. He has taught at the University of Pennsylvania since 1979. Dr. Mair is also founder and editor of Sino-Platonic Papers, an academic journal examining Chinese, East Asian and Central Asian linguistics and literature.

Dr. Mair specializes in early vernacular Chinese, and is responsible for well-received translations of the Dao De Jing and the Zhuangzi. He has also been noted for his collaboration on interdisciplinary research on the archeology of Eastern Central Asia.

"Your articles (except the first one) sound like something from the National Vanguard or the National Alliance."

That's a cheap shot and people that have read my postings over the years know better.

[Wallace T.]

How the races developed is still an unsolved question. The fact that some apparently European people wandered into and possibly settled western China and Central Asia is interesting, but any evidence linking these Celtic-seeming people to the development of Chinese civilization is lacking. Additionally, people flowed west as well as east. A good example is the singer Bjork, who claims she is purely Icelandic but looks more like a mixed Asian-European person. Whether she has a long forgotten Lapp or Inuit ancestor or her appearance is a random mutation is open to question.

[dljordan]

That was fascinating. Aren't the Scots and Irish descended from the Scythians?

[blam]

Ancient Europeans Remains Found In Qinghai (China)

"Ren said the tomb shape, the burial articles and the way they were put in the tomb are all typical in Eastern Han Dynasty (25-220), which proved the three westerners had lived here for a long time and were accustomed to local traditions and customs."

"Although so far, we have been not sure of the country the three Europeans came from and there might be a large number of such 'westerners' living here at the ancient time," said Ren."

[dljordan]

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. I„! I„! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah-nagl fhtagn!"

That's not funny! Your mother's one too!

[blam]

"This article you posted reeks of shallow stereotypes and would be laughed out of the room by anthropologists and geneticists. Sometimes the lone dissenter might be right, but in this case, he is generating wild conclusions based on shallow and scarce evidence; it's just not convincing."

Professor Stephen Oppenheimer says in one of his books that the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10,000 years old.

I'm beginning to lean toward the probability that the homeland of the Caucasian and 'Caucasian like' people is in fact in China or even further east in SE Asia...and, maybe even Sundaland.

All the maps showing Europeans migrating to the east are (imo) fairly recent migrations, if they happened at all. Caucasians migrated from the east to Europe, not the other way around.

Oppenheimer says that his DNA studies indicate that about 50% of todays Europeans can trace their DNA to one man in the Indus valley who made their way to Europe through the Middle East. The other (about) 50% can trace their DNA to a son of the same man who made their way to Europe a thousand years later through Russia.

[blam]

"Aren't the Scots and Irish descended from the Scythians?"

Perhaps. On any given day, I've even suspected that they may be descendents of the Xiongnu

[RightWhale]

It's a matter of record.

[ZULU]

H.P. Lovecraft.

[ZULU]

"The use of BCE and CE provides a common measure."

Not really.
The terms are only relevant to Christians and Jews.

The fact is you have to pick SOME date as a reference point and doing so is quite difficult.

Using an invention is not practical as many early inventions are of uncertain date.

Ditto any birthdays of an important historical figure, including Christ.

The fact is the AD and BC system has been in use the longest, most historical books used that system - until recently, and the CE and BCE is a politically correct attempt to employ a date independent of a western religious figure, which, in effect, is not.

[ZULU]

Correct

[dread78645]

It had to go. It was blocking the view of Venus.

[ZULU]

"Aryans" is a term properly used to describe Iranian and Sanskrit speaking peolpe and their relatives and ancestors.
The Kurds and Iranians of today are Aryans.

These people generally have lighter skin and dark hair and eyes and caucasoid features.

The Tarim Basin mummies were more northern European in appearance, and despite Hitler and Goebbels, there is little connection between real "Aryans" and Teutonic and Celtic peoples.

[BJClinton]

From Call of C'thulu: In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming...

[tarheelswamprat]

It's a matter of record.

No, it's simply the official statement of record.

[RightWhale]

We can probably find somebody who was there or knows somebody who was there and can say if it happened or not.

[NC28203]

>>>The fact is the AD and BC system has been in use the longest, most historical books used that system - until recently, and the CE and BCE is a politically correct attempt to employ a date independent of a western religious figure, which, in effect, is not.

Why is it politically correct for Israeli Jewish scientists working in archaeology (or any other science) to use a term like BCE that does not force them to acknowledge Jesus as their Christ and Lord? BCE/CE can allow one recognize Jesus as an historical figure and the demarcation of time periods, without forcing all to recognize him as the Messiah.

[ZULU]

Based on the show I saw about these Traim basin mummies, they were not Chinese in appearance at all. They are caucasoid in appearance and their was no question of their lighter hair color and very large size.

On the other hand, populations are fluid and nobody knows what the average Homo sapiens looked like several thousand years ago. Hair color and eye color don't fossilize.

[ZULU]

That's a good point.