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To: SZonian
Sorry SZ - you lose again. This is from church teachings...

On October 9, 1859, Brigham Young said, "From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are -- I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent"

(Brigham Young - Journal of Discourses 7:289).

20 posted on 07/25/2006 1:48:45 PM PDT by patriot_wes (Law of Unintended Consequences; Infant Baptism = an unbelieving, unsaved church.)
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To: patriot_wes

I'll bet you go to church with a Bible in your hand and think how very lucky God is to have YOU.


23 posted on 07/25/2006 3:52:35 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (All Truth is God's Truth...regardless of the source.)
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To: patriot_wes

I have posted about the "Journal of Discourses" before not being church canon or "church teachings" as you term it. I will copy it here for you.

The Journal of Discourses is not Doctrine or accepted Canon of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. A little history of the JD shows why. (simplified and summarized by me)

A member of the Church attended various meetings and conferences of the Church, in his own version of shorthand he copied down the sermons. Some of the talks he did not write at the time but up to a few weeks later as he best remembered them. He did this over a period of approximately 25 years. He decided that all this material should be published. So he did publish the material privately for which he received money (profits). To do so he had to reconstruct what he meant by his shorthand from the past 25 years. This man was not called by the church or held any position as recorder or historian. What he wrote is very valuable material for historians and people interested in the what early apostles and prophets "probably" said. It does provide a great window into some early sermons of early church leaders it is clearly not accepted as Canon of the Church.

I have personally had non Mormons tell me that I believe the "Adam-God Theory" and "Blood Atonement" by using quotes from the Journal of Discourses. They are both false principles. (Though I agree with the idea that a murderer's blood should be spilt. It just doesn't have any effect on his consequence in the afterlife.


26 posted on 07/26/2006 2:23:18 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X = they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: patriot_wes
I did not realize that we were in some type of competition, so I don't see how "I lose". You post quotes as if I care. I don't follow or study theology so bully for you if you can whip out your anti-mormon crib notes in a flash.

However, see my post #17 if you need more clarification as to the reason for my denuciation of yours and anyone else's negative posts.

You obviously have a very dull axe to grind with the church as an "ex" mormon. Were you "ex"-communicated for behavior and feel that it was unjust, thus your hatred for any and all things mormon?

Or is it that you have a small and intolerant mind and YOU have determined that it's not up to God to sort it out come judgement day?

SZ

30 posted on 07/26/2006 2:54:09 PM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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