Posted on 07/18/2006 8:12:32 AM PDT by BerlinStrausbaugh
Sorry, sink, but it is, no matter how much you and others pretend otherwise. What really matters to illegals is being allowed to stay in this country, instead of being deported the way current laws call for. They typically paid thousands to coyotes to get here - what's another couple grand to keep from getting sent back?
It's amnesty until it gets run through the Clintonian parse-o-matic.
The penalty for illegal entry into the United States is deportation along with an order not to return.
Anything other than deportation with an order not to return is amnesty.
Doesn't matter how you try to slice it any differently.
ping
Every poll that includes a guest worker program in any of its questions finds that these programs are supported by a majority along with border enforcement.
"identical guest worker program"
They are opposite, not identical, on the issue of amnesty.
If you read Section 145 of Tancredo's proposed H.R. 3534, posted above, you will note: "Repeal of Amnesty Provision" that is, of section 249 of the Immigration & Nationality Act (8 USC 1259).
Another poster who refuses to deal with reality.
I don't believe they'll stick their necks out like that again.
Not PC!
On the contrary, I'm not the one trying to re-define a term.
You are the one claiming anything less that what the law calls for is not amnesty.
You don't get to change definitions just to suit your arguement.
Link please.
We really need to have a source for those statistics before we pass them around or the obc will use it to discredit the anti illegal position.
....I agree....if the borders were really enforced and done properly, I've always been of the mind that a coherent guest worker program would be ok if we issues ID cards etc etc.....but true amnesty I would be against....I see Pence's plan at least closer to a reasonable compromise then Bush's or McCain's plan
Don't forget number 5: there will be no limit on the number of "guest" workers admitted for at least 3 years after the plan is initiated.
Great. No amnesty there, no way, definitely not.
I call it exactly what it is, sink.
but Pence recognizes reality and most of those who insist on "sending them all back" do not.
Really? How do we know trying to get them to self-deport will not work until we try it?
Every poll that includes a guest worker program in any of its questions finds that these programs are supported by a majority along with border enforcement.
I wonder how many of those who support a guest worker program are aware of the problems that Europe's long-standing guest worker programs have created there?
If we truly need more workers, make them legal green-card immigrants. We don't need a two-tier society.
Exactly. Pence knows that HR4437, by itself, is a non-starter in the Senate (the Senate refused to even take it up). So, he's combined 4437 with a guest worker program as the basis for negotiations and compromise.
Compromise is how politics is done and legislation is crafted, but it's a dirty word around here.
No intelligent, thinking person is dumb enough to have the mindset of "just send'em all back".......that's just a red herring thrown up by the useful idiots from the open border crowd to skew the argument. All we need is border and employer enforcement plus a severe cutback in all the welfare services (and ID fraud connected with it) and in short order the vast majority will DEPORT themselves.
Hmm by that logic ALL words are now meaningless since they are being used!
susie
...and all those stupid idiots who have been saying that illegal immigration could cause the GOP a problem were... RIGHT!
"The true rule in determining to embrace or reject anything is not whether it have any evil in it but whether it has more evil than good. There are few things wholly evil and wholly good. About everything is an inseparable compound of the two."
Abraham Lincoln, on `Compromise'
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