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A non-bitter bitter article about last nights Utah-3 GOP primary.

And Utah is not a politcally conservative state? Huh?

JMO, what does this guy smoke?

1 posted on 06/28/2006 1:45:45 PM PDT by Dane
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2 posted on 06/28/2006 1:48:17 PM PDT by gubamyster
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And Utah is not a politcally conservative state? Huh?

Utah is now populated with RINOs. What crap.

3 posted on 06/28/2006 1:50:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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"Utah is now just barely to the right of Vermont."

Signed,

Tom "The Border Pimp" Tancredo

4 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:30 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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Bil-bray.


5 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:47 PM PDT by Shermy
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dude needs to up his meds....

LOL

That election was a speed bump, nothing more.


6 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:48 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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Well Jacobs kind of imploded after the whole giving money to illegals disclosure. Long time from June to November so don't doom and gloom, or fist pump prematurely.


8 posted on 06/28/2006 1:52:12 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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Well, now that we've heard from the mouthpiece and advocate for the Mexican citizens in the U.S., it would be nice to hear the voices of those who advocate and support U.S. citizens.


9 posted on 06/28/2006 1:52:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The Democrat Leadership Trifecta 2006: Anti truth, U.S. and sanity. Another leftist generation lost.)
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You can't win every battle, and the war hasn't been going for long. It's stupid and defeatist to give up on this. I am convinced that other states will not take as kindly to illegal immigration as Utah did. If the R's continue down this pro-illegal path, they will lose the 08 presidential election. Despite everything, I don't think they are totally unaware of that. And if they are, these mobile hearings the House is putting on will correct that little issue.
12 posted on 06/28/2006 1:56:57 PM PDT by JamesP81
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If too many Republicans believe this election to be a bell-weather that says 'nobody cares about immigration', my predicitons of a GOP nightmare November are back on course.


14 posted on 06/28/2006 1:58:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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Are u out of your Blue PA State Mind?

Do you u think Chis Cannon's 19 000 Votes will override the rest of the Nations 100 Million voters.

You won a battle against a novice who made mistakes.

Onward To The House Field Hearings On The Senate Bill!
That Should Be an interesting battle when the Senate Bill is exposed for the Sham it is.


17 posted on 06/28/2006 2:00:30 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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And John McInsane got 75% of the vote in Arizona. Something stinks with those e-voting machines.


18 posted on 06/28/2006 2:01:44 PM PDT by John Lenin
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Senators Hatch and Bennett are a liberal and a moderate?

That's not what I've seen by looking at their voting records.


22 posted on 06/28/2006 2:05:32 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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I saw Jacob on TV , he came across a bit strange. Sorry, but first impressions are everything.


27 posted on 06/28/2006 2:10:14 PM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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Definition of a moonbat: A guy who thinks someone with a lifetime ACU rating of 97 isn't a conservative.
28 posted on 06/28/2006 2:11:37 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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people are reading into the election things that the election doesn't symbolize.

People chose an incumbant over a person who acted kind of nuts.

This is surprising?


29 posted on 06/28/2006 2:13:14 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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Something that people forget - no matter how wonderful the arguments are stated on the Internet, most voters will never read it.

This campaign was lost based upon name recognition, natural tendency to continue voting for the incumbent, and a lack of getting the message out. A similar event happened here - David Dreier was challenged by a wonderful candidate, Sonny Sardo. While there is great dissatisfaction in the district for David Dreier, Sonny Sardo had little chance of unseating him - mostly because there was little of getting Sardo's message to the voters.

Anyone who wants to put any particular spin on any election has to demonstrate that their viewpoint was first put out for the voters to hear and consume, and that they did in fact do this.
32 posted on 06/28/2006 2:15:44 PM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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Jacobs was a lousy (not to say borderline loony) candidate. It wasn't the (immigration) message. It was definitely the messenger. Whether it was really his fault or a hostile media and an effective negative campaign by the Cannon folks is moot. Jacobs was defeated, not the question of dealing effectively with the border.

The race in California a few weeks ago was much more indicative of the mood across the country. A serious candidate with a serious position won with addressing border security first as his primary message.


34 posted on 06/28/2006 2:20:57 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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Wasn't this the race where one of the candidates started talking about Satan?


41 posted on 06/28/2006 2:35:13 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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This is a blog posting, not a legitimate news source.


42 posted on 06/28/2006 2:41:00 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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I'm really curious about this one.

I understand why in California or Texas, illegal aliens are a big issue. They are, after all, there.

I live in Pennsylvania, a cold weather state that's losing population. Right now, Republican incumbant Senator Rick Sanatorium is running radio ads discussing his opposition to illegal aliens.

From what I can see, quite bluntly, Pennsylvania could use illegal immigrants, even those that have children and user city services. We need young people. Our school taxes are absurd because huge buildings with few students are being maintained. A few extra students would not kill us and would probably help the vitality of our area. And I daresay the same is true of hospitals and other institutions that are overloaded elsewhere in the country.

My foggy impression is that Utah is a similar type of location - another cold weather place losing population to the South and West. Per Wikipedia, it would have lost population without migration from outside of the US.

I would think that the 60,000-odd people who immigrated into the state from a foreign country would be easily absorbed into a population of 2.5 million, and therefore illegal immigration would not be much of a concern, if not any at all.

So why on earth would someone run on an anti-illegal platform in a state where there are not enough illegals to matter?

I think illegals would be largely welcome in most states where populations are shrinking or treading water. The big problems with illegals in California are due to huge numbers that strain resources locally. I'll bet if we could encourage them to migrate more evenly throughout the country we would have little problem absorbing them.

But I think most Mexicans and other illegals would have a very hard time living in cold weather states.

Thoughts?

D


46 posted on 06/28/2006 2:48:31 PM PDT by daviddennis
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