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01/30/2006 BBC Article About Europe's Mustard Gas Shells "Problem" -WW1 Shells STILL ARE DEADLY!!
BBC.CO.UK ^ | 01/30/2006 | BBC.CO.UK

Posted on 06/23/2006 1:37:58 PM PDT by musicman

Our story starts 90 years ago. The Great War claimed over 15 million lives and focused on a narrow strip of land in Belgium and France.

This intense trench warfare led to constant shelling by both sides, but not every bomb fired exploded. Hundreds of thousands failed to detonate.

Today the remains of the Belgian front line can still be seen - some trenches are still visible, and visitors can walk past the barbed wire and inspect the rusting military hardware left behind.

And it is those shells that are now resurfacing and presenting a new threat.

* Every year more than 30 people are killed on the battlefields of Europe after disturbing or picking up unexploded bombs and shells.

* It's estimated that three Titanics worth of unexploded bombs still litter the fields of France and Belgium, left over from World War 1.

* Some of these shells contain deadly Mustard Gas and Phosgene. Chemical shells left over from World War 1 that are still as deadly as the day they were fired.

* The Belgian Bomb Disposal Team brings back two lorry loads of unexploded bombs every day for safe destruction.

* Inside the high security chemical warfare lab, bomb teams work four hour shifts inside special chemical suits as they take the gas shells apart and destroy the chemicals.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blisteragent; iraqiwmds; mustardgas; wmd; ww1
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The article concerning the WW1 bombs with mustard gas, and other "goodies", is the second story on the page, and continues on down the page. I found this searching for something to help jveritas, and a a couple of other freepers who wanted to debunk the "..they're old shells, they're depleted, they're harmless..." etc crowd. IMHO, THIS article seems to do (with facts) exactly that.
1 posted on 06/23/2006 1:38:00 PM PDT by musicman
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To: musicman
Excellent find!
2 posted on 06/23/2006 1:40:09 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: musicman

Thus dies the Old Media FRAUDcaster's story line that these "old WMD" shells should be considered harmless.


3 posted on 06/23/2006 1:41:01 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: musicman

Bin Laden's an "old" man. He's depleted and harmless.

Let's try that excuse the next time the left says "why haven't we found Bin Laden yet?"


4 posted on 06/23/2006 1:41:08 PM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: musicman

this doesn't apply to Saddam's mustard gas. What we found is not old or young enough to be lethal. It's potent enough to be nothing at all.


5 posted on 06/23/2006 1:41:10 PM PDT by immigration lady (defeat is only momentary)
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To: musicman

somebody notify MSM!


6 posted on 06/23/2006 1:41:23 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: tobyhill

How many shells were buried there when the war ended?


7 posted on 06/23/2006 1:41:50 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: AFPhys
I think reporters should be given free access to these weapons with no protective gear and with the payload exposed. If they are harmless then the reporters should be lining up for an up close and personal look.
8 posted on 06/23/2006 1:43:32 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: musicman

So you're saying that non-functioning shells left over from previous wars constitute an ongoing WMD program?


9 posted on 06/23/2006 1:44:16 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: musicman

The MSM and Dems of today would have been against WWI and WWII..."unwinnable", "Germany didn't attack us..."


10 posted on 06/23/2006 1:44:33 PM PDT by goalinestan (Build it...and they won't come (as easily))
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To: sgtbono2002
I don't know but when I was stationed at a chemical weapons facility in the early 90s we had shells that some were pre-60s and were just as potent as the born on date.
11 posted on 06/23/2006 1:44:41 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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So you're saying that non-functioning shells left over from previous wars constitute an ongoing WMD program?

Yeah, I think that's what they're saying.

Which is why the Bush administration isn't pushing this line.

If this is the best Santorum can do, he's doomed. JMHO.

12 posted on 06/23/2006 1:47:15 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: musicman

Bump for WMD debate.


13 posted on 06/23/2006 1:54:02 PM PDT by bcsco (KOs = KOincidence of KOmmie KOrruption!)
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To: musicman

What is getting lost in the translation is the difference between a weapon being in a degraded condidtion, and the lethality of the contents.

The shells and rockets that have been found, are in fact degraded in that you could not successfully fire one of those shells in an artillery piece, nor could the rocket be fired, etc. The contents, wheter it be sarin or mustard gas are still extremely dangerous and could be adapted into a chemical IED.

Think about that for a moment.

The US Army is in the process of destroying it's stockpile of chemical weapons out here at the Umatilla Depot in Oregon. It took years to build the special incinerator needed to destroy the still-active and highly dangerous agents.

And most of those arms date from Post WW-II, and the early Cold War years.

All of the "yeah, buts" that we are hearing is mainly from those who simply cannot bring themselves to admit that the Bush Administration really didn't lie about WMDs; namely the Media, DemocRats, entrenched libs at State, CIA, and the Pentagon.



14 posted on 06/23/2006 1:55:37 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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Every couple of years, some French or Belgian farmer plowing his fields gets an ugly surprise when his plow trips some unexploded ordinance from WW1. This is a known fact that was promoted for years by the leftist MSM as an example of why minefields and former warzones were dangerous and we should spend billions to clean them up.

Hadn't heard that much lately, have you?


15 posted on 06/23/2006 2:00:32 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: musicman

Does temperature make a difference? If these UXO (unexploded ordnance) have been buried in western European soils, they've probably been at a constant temperature of perhaps 60 degrees F. Chem warfare materiel stored in Iraq, even in an underground bunker, is undoubtedly at a higher temperature.


16 posted on 06/23/2006 2:00:32 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Proud Coulter enabler, since "Slander.")
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To: CobaltBlue
Which is why the Bush administration isn't pushing this line.

But a lot of people on our side of the aisle are banging this drum as loudly as possible. It comes off as desperate, people aren't stupid and they know that this wasn't the sort of thing that the president was talking about when he referred to Iraq's WMD stockpile.

We're doing just fine with the "Dems want to cut and run/Kicking terrorist ass" line on Iraq, trying to throw these old shells into the mix is just weak and dishonest.

17 posted on 06/23/2006 2:00:36 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: sgtbono2002

The British dumped thousands of tons into the sea, it's
there now waiting.

The idea that somehow old gas shells aren't dangerous is
insane.

I seem to remember a munitions ship that sank near the mouth of the Thames, it's now too dangerous to try and remove and it's too much to try and blow in place.


18 posted on 06/23/2006 2:00:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Zeroisanumber
So you're saying that non-functioning shells left over from previous wars constitute an ongoing WMD program?

I'm saying anyone that says "There were no WMDs" are wrong. The status of any ongoing program to build new ones is a separate issue. But the fact he had WMDs is a fact. It's also a fact that he thumbed his nose at inspections. It's also a fact he tried to assassinate a US President, Bush's father. Put all this together and it's clear Saddam had to go. Any rational government would have done what we did.

19 posted on 06/23/2006 2:01:05 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Zeroisanumber
The article isn't about "non functioning shells". It is, in fact, about "fully functional shells" filled with WMD chemicals.

So why are you asking about "non functioning shells"? Certainly you can get your fill of such over at DU or Bartcop.

20 posted on 06/23/2006 2:04:37 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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