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No reason for flag-burning amendment
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 06/22/06

Posted on 06/23/2006 9:03:33 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: Texas Federalist

Correction: a career in law or politics and not directly accountable to the voters.


41 posted on 06/23/2006 1:16:12 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (True statesmen ... are not defined by what they compromise, but what they don’t.)
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To: presidio9

I don't like it when people talk on their cell phones on line at the airport. We should get a Constitutional Amendment about it.

/same logic as Flag Amendment


42 posted on 06/23/2006 1:39:11 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains

I don't like it when people talk on their cell phones on line at the airport. We should get a Constitutional Amendment about it.

Again, that statement is just plain ignorant. How in God's name did you ever become a Conservative?

43 posted on 06/23/2006 4:59:28 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: Protagoras; Admin Moderator
Seriously: I've asked you nicely about a dozen times now. Respond to my posts if it gets you off. Say whatever the hell you feel like saying. Just do me the courtesy of reomving my name from the "to" box. I have no interest in participating in you your stupidity. The moderator instructed you nicely yesterday to do the same. Thanks so much.
44 posted on 06/23/2006 5:03:28 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: steve-b
Well, why didn't you say so to begin with?

Cool. You discovered that a younger Reagan experimented with libertarianism in the 1970's. Before that he was a registered Deomcrat. He even signed an abortion bill into law as Governor of California. Then he saw the light. Can you tell me what were President Reagan's positions on Legalized drugs/abortion?

45 posted on 06/23/2006 5:07:24 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: MACVSOG68
From your substantive response to my points, I would suggest I already had at it.

Seriously, if that's all you've got I'm disappointed. Make a point or don't but don't post just for the sake of getting the last word in.

46 posted on 06/23/2006 5:10:08 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: Texas Federalist
I would hardly call Scalia a libertarian.

I agree with Scalia 99% of the time. However, given the choice of calling myself a Reagan Conservative or a Scalia Conservative, I'll pick Reagan. Since our beloved leader has left us, I've taken to looking to Newt Gingrich for my cues. Want to guess which way he leans? The point is, we need to accept the fact that soldiers have died for the American Flag. It is more than the sum of its fabrics. Many of our soldiers have laid down their lives for it. As such, it deserves special protection. In your learned opinion, I'm guessing that a guy blowing up a pile of copper would deserve exactly the same penalty as some raghead blowing up the Statue of Liberty. "Free Speech," right? Not in mine.

47 posted on 06/23/2006 5:19:48 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9
Seriously, if that's all you've got I'm disappointed. Make a point or don't but don't post just for the sake of getting the last word in.

You mean something substantive like "go find a Republican site and have at it"? Which of course came after the "point" I made.

48 posted on 06/23/2006 5:30:19 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: presidio9
Before that he was a registered Deomcrat.

I'm sure you can produce a quote in which Reagan declares that the essence of conservatism is to be found in the platform of the Democrats.

Or, failing that, (since I just know that you are an intellectually honest sort), I'm sure you'll admit that you just popped off a bit of irrelevant nonsense.

49 posted on 06/23/2006 7:14:51 PM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: presidio9
we need to accept the fact that soldiers have died for the American Flag

Nonsense. Soldiers have died for the American Republic, but only an idiot would die for a piece of dyed cloth as such.

50 posted on 06/23/2006 7:17:45 PM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: presidio9
I've taken to looking to Newt Gingrich for my cues.

Well, then, I trust that your spouse, if you have one, has taken the precaution of securing independent means of support in case of serious illness.

51 posted on 06/23/2006 7:19:33 PM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: presidio9
I'm guessing that a guy blowing up a pile of copper would deserve exactly the same penalty as some raghead blowing up the Statue of Liberty.

Blowing up a Statue of Liberty (of the sort anybody can buy in a knickknack shop) does indeed carry the same penalty as blowing up the same quantity of unsculpted copper (i.e. you might get in trouble for reckless use of explosives, polluting the environment with metal dust, etc).

This is as it should be, and is an exact analogy for burning a generic flag (as opposed to, say, a specific historical specimen such as the Fort McHenry War of 1812 flag).

52 posted on 06/23/2006 7:22:57 PM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: Democratshavenobrains
I don't like it when people talk on their cell phones on line at the airport. We should get a Constitutional Amendment about it.

Excellent analogy. While we're at it, how about a Constitutional amendment against those annoying little yappy dogs?

53 posted on 06/23/2006 7:26:05 PM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: presidio9

Burning an inanimate object is free speech. It might be stupid free speech but it is still free speech.


54 posted on 06/23/2006 8:27:13 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains

Obviously the inanimate object in question should also be owned by the person who is doing the burning.


55 posted on 06/23/2006 8:31:40 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Democratshavenobrains

Everybody equates the amendment's use of the word "desecration" with burning. If and when this abomination ever passes, it will then be up to Congress, the Courts, every local cop, to figure out what desecration means. See a young lady with a handbag, or jeans with a flag incorporated into them? Find it offensive (I personally don't like that kind of flag use). Call 911 and press option 2 "if this is an emergency where something or someone really offends you."


56 posted on 06/24/2006 12:25:50 AM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Scmidt, CEO Google)
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To: presidio9
I agree with Scalia 99% of the time. However, given the choice of calling myself a Reagan Conservative or a Scalia Conservative, I'll pick Reagan.

I identify with Reagan more than Scalia as well. My point is that this is not an issue that defines your ideology. While most in favor of the amendment are "conservative", reasonable conservatives disagree on the issue - like Scalia and (likely) Alito. What defines you as "conservative" is the rationale behind your stance. And yes, some "libertarians" (like Dick Armey for example) are decidedly conservative.

57 posted on 06/24/2006 12:12:54 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (True statesmen ... are not defined by what they compromise, but what they don’t.)
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