You're of course free to your own opinion, but when you make mistatements about conservative values on this website, expect to be called on them.
Posted on 06/23/2006 9:03:33 AM PDT by presidio9
In which case are you more likely to be prosecuted?
1. Burning an American flag.
2. Burning a Rainbow flag.
Well, I'm frequently confused, but with the war on teror, Iraq, budget deficits, spending bills due by 9/30, judicial nominations sitting, summer recess, and the election recess, I'm glad that "conservatives" know what is important to the voters....
You're of course free to your own opinion, but when you make mistatements about conservative values on this website, expect to be called on them.
Misstatements? Are you not pushing the amendments? Did you not tell me that it was mostly Libertarians who opposed them? Perhaps I misunderstood what you said.
I would advise you that my conservative values are as important to me as yours are to you. But my conservative values don't include meaningless statements having nothing to do with what the Congress was elected to do. They do include a tremendous respect for the First and Tenth Amendments. And I fear it will be an issue in November.
Super, but your sugestion was that the flag burning amendment was not a conservative cause, which is false. One it its original proponents was none other than Ronald Reagan.
I upheld our flag, before I burned it with my mouth and my comrades in the Senate in '71. Today all democrats support the burning of the flag. At least that we do not flip-flop on that matter.
/Sarcasm off
Actually, what I said was that many conservatives would not touch either amendment. That is true. I never said it was not a conservative cause. We do from time to time have misplaced priorities. Coming into an election that shows a dramatic disadvantage to many of the incumbents, most voters are not going to be pleased that the only thing Congress accomplished this year was arguing (fruitlessly) over two amendments. The only reason they are being considered right now is simply to placate the conservative base. The Senate had absolutely no intention of bringing the last one to a vote, just to let their respective bases know where they stood, without actually having to stand there.
But November is quite different. Anyway, we agree to disagree. Most on these threads believe as you do. I hope you and they are correct.
And to get out the Bubba-vote. Flag burning is speech. Hate speech, but protected speech.
Yep. If some particular speech didn't piss off folks, it wouldn't need protecting.
"There is all the difference in the world between defending the right to desecrate the flag and defending flag desecration itself. It is the difference between a free and an unfree society."
I don't recall making you the issue, so please refrain from making me the issue. What I believe about my intelligence is irrelevant to the discussion. Somehow I doubt that Reagan would have put a flag amendment over the affairs of state at a time when nothing was getting done. But that's just me. I have already admitted I'm in the minority here.
One thing about Ronald Reagan that few care to talk about: With all of his resolve, he had a tremendous ability to recognize when compromise was the best approach, something this Congress refuses to consider.
You make yourself the issue when you espouse libertarian ideals and you characterize them as "my conservative values." This is ostensibly a conservative website, and I won't have you perverting it.
I espouse no libertarian ideals. My values include an appreciation for what the Republican Party was created for...freedom. My values include a total commitment to the Bill of Rights, which was ratified to protect the minority, not the majority. It's provisions should not be the playground of those who can't stomach the actual exercise of those freedoms if that exercise contradicts certain values. The freedom of speech is no one's personal political toy, to be tossed about at will whenever an election year comes about. It is far too sacred for that. When we start deciding that the freedom of speech must be curtailed if it does not please the majority, then it no longer exists.
So you needn't talk to me about perverting anything. Any curtailing of our God-given rights is a complete perversion of what our great Constitution stands for.
Hey, super. Go find a Republican website and have at it.
You misspelled "demagogues".
Well, why didn't you say so to begin with?
If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
Now, I can't say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don't each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.
--Ronald Reagan
From your substantive response to my points, I would suggest I already had at it.
Take care.
I'm sure if you took a poll of the general population that would be correct. However, I think most conservative commentators, judges, and others with a career in law or politics are against the amendment. For example, I would hardly call Scalia a libertarian.
LOL, delusions of grandeur. Isn't it time for you to go to summer camp and do something like canoeing or crafts or something more appropriate to your age group?
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