Posted on 06/22/2006 10:56:38 AM PDT by baseball_fan
snip…Privates Tucker and Menchaca were not simply ambushed, taken prisoner and killed. "The torture was something unnatural," said Major General Abdul Azziz Mohammed Jassim of Iraq's Defense Ministry, hinting at the state of the soldiers' remains. The corpses were so mutilated that they could be positively identified only through DNA testing.
Here, then, is the enemy we face in Iraq: not nationalists or extremists or even fanatics, but something like a band of real-life Hannibal Lecters for whom human slaughter is both business and religious fulfillment. Following the killing, an Internet statement said to be from the Mujahadeen Shura Council praised Abu Hamza al-Muhajir--who is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's successor as head of Al Qaeda in Iraq--with "the implementation of the sentence." Note the legalistic pretensions: This is the kind of "justice" Iraqis could expect should the insurgents come to power. And it is the enemy that might well come to power if the U.S. left Iraq prematurely, as many Senate Democrats urged yesterday.
snip… Meantime, the U.S. military continues to examine allegations that Marines killed 24 civilians in … Haditha last November. Pentagon investigators have also uncovered evidence of detainee abuse by U.S. Special Forces in early 2004--just as the Army was the first to disclose the prison abuses at Abu Ghraib.
For some, all this is just more evidence of inveterate U.S. barbarity or the criminal abuses… In fact, it testifies to a U.S. military and executive branch willing to investigate, disclose and prosecute errant military behavior, whatever the military or political price. That's something Mr. Murtha and his fellow-travelers in Congress and the media might not recognize. But a majority of Iraqis do, which is why, in the battle against the killers of Privates Tucker and Menchaca, they line up to fight on our side.
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As a note...everytime some journo hack brings up Gitmo and Abu Gharig...I am going to refer them to this, as well as a whole host of other atrocities the animals we fight in the country commit.
Of course someone will. Stupidity and ignorance are not jail-time crimes --- yet.
Does anybody know the details of what happened to those soldiers. I know its gruesome and morbid and not for everybody, but for me, hearing specifics about what is done fuels my determination.
We know where the terrorist strongholds are in Iraq. Time to put dusk to dawn curfews in all these areas with orders of shoot to kill anyone showing their faces.
"It's too soon" < /sarc >
You may never hear the details for the same reason that you may never see a picture of a dead body from the 9-11 attacks.
There would be no debate over "ending the war". The debate would be over "what to hit first".
That's too bad, because that's exactly the kind of debate we need to be having right now. Personally, I think every newspaper in the nation needs to run a front page picture of the bodies of those servicemen, with the caption "THIS IS WHAT WE'RE FIGHTING".
"It has come to light now the manner in which our captured soldiers were slaughtered recently. Their eyes were cut out, and they were then beheaded while still conscious."
Got the previous quote from the following e-mail this AM:
Protest/Vigil regarding the two tortured and slaughtered American soldiers. Please forward to anyone in Southern California.
The following is an announcement regarding a protest/vigil this Friday in the Los Angeles area organized by a new organization called the Sons of Washington which is NOT affiliated with the UAC. It is not an event sponsored or endorsed by the United American Committee but may be of interested to many of our members:
From the Sons of Washington:
It has come to light now the manner in which our captured soldiers were slaughtered recently. Their eyes were cut out, and they were then beheaded while still conscious.
Protest/Vigil in front of the Saudi funded ‘King Fahd Mosque’ in Culver City, CA (West L.A. Area)
10980 WASHINGTON BLVD. Culver City, CA
Friday June 23rd at 7:00 PM
Condemnation of the overall silence of Islamic organizations in America regarding the brutal slayings of two captured American soldiers, Pfc. Thomas Tucker & Pfc. Kristian Menchaca. The Sons of Washington are asking Muslim leaders to publicly condemn the terrorist perpetrators by name, including al- Zarqawi's successer, Abu Hamza al-Muhajer. Will Muslim leaders stand with us in condemnation? Come out to honor the memory of these two heroes, and show condemnation of Islamic militancy.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE EVENT, BE SURE TO RSVP TO jeanne211@mac.com
At the Fetterman Massacre in 1866 the slain American soldiers were so mutilated the details were kept closed for about 20 years.
These may be kept closed for a while.
Their response will be that just because the insurgents are barbarians doesn't mean that we should lower ourselves to their level.
That is a debating technique called "framing the argument" in which we have to choose between being the barbarians or being civilized.
The opponents of the war have put us in this box and we have suffered casualties because of it.
War is brutal and savage, life and death judgments are made by young men under extreme duress.
The enemy often uses non combatants or religious sites as shields or traps.
We have to re frame the argument.
From "Breaker Morant":
We involked rule 303, we hunted them, we found them and we shot them!
They wanted to take him alive because they had never seen such a valiant warrior, but he killed so many of them that they eventually figured he wasn't worth the risk.
Classic movie. Check out the bottom of my profile page!
To me - I just cannot understand how the torture, mutilation, and beheading of our servicemen doesn't make the front page, while those "other" pictures do - over-and-over...
We are lulled by media and an administration that chooses not to go that route.
The problem is will it be too late when we finally wake up from our slumber?
Our success in WWII is in part due to espionage and code breakers. Are they are successful against this global threat?
We look to Nazi Germany for comparisons in this war (the attrocities and dreams of a supremacist homogenous "state") and to the USSR (for a hot and cold war that ran for decades).
But what of the anarchists in America in the early part of the 20th century? What of the KKK from the Reconstruction South into the mid 1960s (roughly 100 years)? THESE terrorists have more in common with those terrorists. They walk among us waiting to strike havoc.
"As a note...everytime some journo hack brings up Gitmo and Abu Gharig...I am going to refer them to this, as well as a whole host of other atrocities the animals we fight in the country commit."
hopefully the memory of these two brave young American soldiers along with so many others trying to bring liberty to the Iraqi people can be a rallying cry against those who intentionally obfuscate the real purpose of the Geneva Conventions in order to reach a corrupt end
The person who should be bringing this up -- everytime a reporter mentions Gitmo or AbuGraib -- is our President. He needs to go on the offensive, unleash our military to finish this job and quit trying to play nice.
I hear about a dead civilian in Iraq. Is there a card or dog tags that members of the "insurgency" carry?
Or is the media attempting to distinguish domestic terrorists in Iraq from those who flooded in from other countries to do the murdering that Iraqi citizens wouldn't do.
Answer. They are ALL civilians (whether they are Iraqi or from elsewhere). SOME are alligned with the "insurgents" and SOME are alligned with Iraq (the new frame of government which the US is helping to stablize).
But telling me someone is a civilian doesn't tell me he is innocent. Sgt. Akbar was enlisted and killed several US officers. The DC sniper duo were civilians and killed several US citizens.
I heard, last evening, they were decapitated and their eyes were cut out (for starters).
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