Posted on 06/21/2006 8:48:19 AM PDT by RDTF
Pathetic.
There is nothing brave about murder.
LOL, scram NS, and lecture someone who cares.
I agree with you. I do not know what happened in this case, but I cannot give complete and unconditional support...because I do not know what happened.
Let's take two scenarios...in the first scenario,the Marine is fired upon, fires back, hits his target, and as he approaches the injured person, the person pulls out a gun. The Marine shoots him point blank.
In the second scenario, the Marine is fired upon, fires back,the person flees into a house. The Marine goes in, grabs a guy who he thinks fired on him, shoves him to the ground and puts a bullet in him. Turns out the guy who shot at him didn't know anyone in this house, just ran in the front and out the back. The Marine grabbed the guy who looked about the same size, assumed it was him and shot him.
Now, these are two fictional scenarios. I give all my support to the guy who shot the injured subject in the first scenario, no questions asked.
In the second scenario, I could not support the Marine. Sure, I wasn't there, but you cannot allow men to go into houses, grab people and pop a cap into them. That is what discipline is for, to PREVENT that kind of thing happening. Otherwise, we are no different than the Soviets or the Serbs who conquered and terrorized areas because they had no discipline in place to prevent it.
We do not know all the facts of this story. I can only hope that someone is viewing them in an impartial manner
I never said you were a sniveling water-boy for the MSM. Merely that your attitude is pathetic.
Perhaps a kool aid drinker who mistakes support for murderers as patriotism.
Notice I never said anyone was a murderer, you did by saying, "no matter what".
Excellent post.
As an aside, I think the Marines will move quickly on this as one can only imagine what this is doing to morale of troops in Iraq.
I agree with you that the Abu Ghraib WAS nonsense and Haditha looks more and more like a scam with each passing day.
But we do not know the facts here, as we do not yet in the Haditha incident.
As a nation, we cannot support murder out of hand. We are not currently engaged in unrestricted warfare. Shooting bullets into a defenseless, unarmed civilian is murder. I am not saying that is what happened here, but until we know what DID happen, we cannot unconditionally support that behavior.
As Americans, we have a great deal to be proud of. We ARE engaged in a noble struggle, something we can, should and will be proud of. History will judge us kindly in this, in my opinion.
Supporting the deliberate murder of an unarmed, unthreatening person is what our enemies do.
Get over it, you support murder, rape of women and children, torture, etc, etc, etc.
Get over it.
You are hero only to the Taliban.
I said your idea was pathetic. I have changed my mind, it's evil.
Wow, what drama! Go tell it to Oprah.
Or maybe I should go and find someone intelligent to discuss this with?
LOL, what discussion?
Now vamoose NS, your lectures bore me.
The truth can be dramatic sometimes. The fact is, you support child rape by US soldiers. Pretty dramatic stuff.
I bet Oprah would love to have you on her show.
I would agree completely with your findings on the two scenarios. Apparently some people believe that it's OK to shoot any Iraqi on sight. It isn't. And the military goes to great lengths to instill in its people an understanding of what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior. Deliberately shooting unarmed civilians falls into the later category. For people around here to say that it's perfectly acceptable to shoot unarmed civilians is saying that anyone who doesn't do so must be stupid. But I have absolutely no doubt that if we had the ability to investigate the matter thoroughly we would find hundreds or thousands of cases where U.S. personnel put themselves in peril to avoid shooting in an situation where innocent Iraqi people might have been harmed, because that is what they are trained to do. They are the honorable ones in my view. They are the ones who do the dangerous job, day after day, within the guidelines. In my opinion they deserve all the respect and admiration this country can give them, not those who murder. In the view of others around here they would be the suckers.
Am I using too many big words for you?
Yawn.
No, making too much common sense and spoiling the "self love fest" that some gain from a nonsensical "super patriotism".
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