Posted on 06/12/2006 10:26:39 PM PDT by goldstategop
Apparently, being the parent of a child murdered by a Muslim terrorist gives one moral credibility. There is no other way to explain the vast attention paid to the ideas of Michael Berg, father of Nick Berg, the American who was slaughtered by the Islamic sadist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. That is also the only explanation for the all the attention Cindy Sheehan has received. It is not because of the intellectual and moral depth of her worldview. But the attention paid to Michael Berg has been very helpful in enabling many more people to understand the thinking and values of the Green Party -- and those on the left sympathetic to the Greens -- and of pacifism. Thinking and values that are, in a word, twisted.
Michael Berg is a Green Party candidate for Congress from the state of Delaware and a pacifist. According to The Associated Press and many other reports, Berg believes George W. Bush is more evil than Zarqawi. Berg said that the blame for most deaths in Iraq should be placed on President Bush, who he said is "more of a terrorist than Zarqawi."
Here is one example: "Zarqawi felt my son's breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it. George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist."
When asked on CNN about his reaction to the death of Zarqawi, he responded: "Well, my reaction is I'm sorry whenever any human being dies. Zarqawi is a human being."
The incredulous CNN interviewer, Soledad O'Brien, then asked Berg, "At some point, one would think, is there a moment when you say, 'I'm glad he's dead, the man who killed my son'?" Berg responded: "No. How can a human being be glad that another human being is dead?"
Thanks to such views, Berg has been nominated by the Green Party to be its candidate for Congress for the lone congressional seat in Delaware.
If the fact that a man who regards his son's butcher as a better man than the American president is rewarded with a party's nomination to Congress does not tell you all you need to know about the morally twisted world of the Greens, nothing will.
It was, I believe, David Horowitz who first pointed out that with the death of communism, those who held communist views will morph from Reds to Greens -- "watermelons," he called them: green on the outside, red on the inside. Why worshippers of nature lose their moral bearings is a question for another column.
Thanks to Michael Berg, the country also better knows the warped moral universe of pacifists.
Pacifists are often personally sweet and endearing people who advocate "peace," and therefore their doctrine is usually spared the moral contempt it merits. Among its many moral and intellectual weaknesses, pacifism ensures that cruelty will prevail on earth. When asked by talk show host Michael Medved if he, Berg, would have killed Zarqawi as the terrorist was about to cut his son's throat, Berg said he would instead throw his body in front of the knife -- thereby ensuring, as Medved noted, that two innocent people would be murdered.
That is the consequence of pacifism -- far more cruelty and death. But the spread of evil apparently means little to pacifists. There must be some joy in feeling oneself so morally superior to those who believe that killing is sometimes morally necessary that even the ritual murder of one's son does not shake the pacifist's fanaticism.
The more Michael Berg speaks -- using the murder of his son, a Bush supporter and supporter of the war in Iraq, to publicize his views -- the better it is. Because every time Michael Berg speaks, he shines a needed light on the moral darkness of the Greens and of pacifism.
(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")
Because he realizes that thousands of other human beings won't be butchered.
Ping.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
There...that's more truthful.
For the record - a pacifist is a person who never had to fight for their life or suffer atrocities committed on their loved ones. There's no way I could understand any "forgiveness" for the animals who killed their children no matter how convoluted.
It probably takes a lot of education to counter natural urges and inclinations toward survival. Berg is not an aristocrat of the spirit who throws away his life for a noble principle, but a pauper, who's life is a meaningless shell. But then is it really? When he has the cameras pointing a him it seems that he, like Cindy, would kill for the attention.
"How can a human being be glad that another human being is dead?"
Simple, some peaple just need killin'!
This berg is one sick man. The scary part is all the play the leftist MSM is giving him.
Wasn't Rachel Corrie that wench that threw herself under an army bulldozer somewhere in Gaza or the West Bank? Quite a different death than Berg's....
And what about her parents? Are they pacifists, too? If they are, I'm curious whom do they forgive for their deranged daughter's demise: the Palis, the Shalom Ahshav idiots, or the IDF?
Amen
Pacifists make my skin crawl.
I don't know if they've forgiven Caterpillar yet.
Yes; she was. Their parents share the rampant California mental dysfunction known as artificial revulsion/self-imposed guilt for non-deserved actions...aka Liberalism.
(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")
Man, that is one of the best aphorisms I have read.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")
Correct, Michael Berg is basically a useless human being whose values can't possible maintain freedom in any country.
You can't be a pussy and survive in a world where some people want you dead.
His son was a good guy and the fact the father has such mental disabilities that he can't tell up from down and should be given no air time. He's dangerous and could be classified as a natural disaster where ever he goes.
J.S. Mill bump
"Here is one example: "Zarqawi felt my son's breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it. George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist."
Stone. Cold. Moonbat.
I hope Coulter covered this idiot in her book.
The Rats aren't much behind them. look at the cowardly weasels they ran for prez in both '00 and '04, and the run 'n hide mentality of their latest hero, Jack Murtha.
I wonder what the asshole would do if somebody walked up and lit a cigarette in his face, and blew smoke on him. He'd probably have a fit and start whining about his rights and second-hand smoke and so on, and want the smoker to suffer some punishment for fouliung his air. But pull a knife on him and hold it to his throat, hey, no sweat, man, not a problem.
I believe Berg sent his son to Iraq hoping something like the situation that actually occured would happen. His son had no business being there and was on his way to the airport to leave when he was captured. Berg's reaction from the start was strange, like he wanted a martyr to further his pacifist cause. The poor kid was bait for his father's twisted ideals.
Most every one that posts here would never stick their head on a knife knowing their children would follow them in death. That's why we are "prepared" (OK, armed to the teeth) to protect ourselves and those we love. When someone acts as unnatural as Michael Berg, you know something is rotten.
The Greens want the government to own, operate, manage and ration all natural resources, and they want to be the government. They think we should live in abandoned rabbit warrens and caves, unless a bear or snake wants to kick us out, in which case we should give way.
Normally I would say such a suggestion is nuts, but I don't think it's at all far-fetched in the case of the Bergs. This guy is just not rational.
From the Vault:
The Berg Beheading- some links
various FR links | 05-12-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133927/posts
''a program of unilateral disarmament in the face of evil'' At work today two libs were blathering on about the three suicides at Gitmo . I asked them ,what they, would have done with them? One lib said if Bush wasn't going to give them a legal trial he should of just let them go. The other one said '' No ,we should've ''brought them to the table'' and incorporated them into the American society........ I was fuming by then and told them these terrorists believe that anybody that doesn't think the way they do should be eliminated. Don't you guys get that? All I got back from both of them was two blank stares. Then they just shrugged and walked away. ......... What is it with these people?!I'm beginning to believe these libs are truly brain damaged,either that, or they really don't believe there is any such thing as evil that exists in our world today!
(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")
Many libs genuinely feel that all one has to do to achieve peace in the world is to "understand" and "dialogue" with ones enemies. Your enemies will see what nice people you really are, and cease their nasty actions immediately.
Yes, it's a wacko dream achieved through smoking lots of dope, but many libs devoutly believe it. Which makes them as dangerous as the people with the guns. Because the pacifists would offer your throat to be cut as well as theirs. Fortunately most Dems are not pacifists. Unfortunately pacifists have too much influence in the Dem Party. It wasn't always like that.
Excellent thread.
"Among its many moral and intellectual weaknesses, pacifism ensures that cruelty will prevail on earth. When asked by talk show host Michael Medved if he, Berg, would have killed Zarqawi as the terrorist was about to cut his son's throat, Berg said he would instead throw his body in front of the knife -- thereby ensuring, as Medved noted, that two innocent people would be murdered.
That is the consequence of pacifism -- far more cruelty and death. But the spread of evil apparently means little to pacifists. There must be some joy in feeling oneself so morally superior to those who believe that killing is sometimes morally necessary that even the ritual murder of one's son does not shake the pacifist's fanaticism."
(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")
Nothing. As much as one can imagine Casey Sheehan rolling in his grave because of his mother, I can not bear to think of what his father's actions would do to Berg's son.
On the other hand, I gave my son a good knife this weekend.
"A Lberal is a man too open-minded to take his own side in a quarrel." Robert Frost
"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist." George Orwell
Rachel did not throw herself under. She got in the way and the dozer operator didn't see her.
The media is pushing propaganda. And they need to have a poster boy to sell their lies and spin.
They believe that they have found people who have dealt personally with tragedy and therefore are above criticism for anything they may say.
Only thing is they do NOT speak for all people who have dealt with these very same losses. Even with these families there is ideological split. Therefore the media is deliberately giving a biased and unbalanced view.
Michael Berg tried to draw an comparison between Zarqawi and President Bush on a number of programs last week.
Maybe someone has quotes of him saying that Bush was worse or even that it would've been a better day if Bush had perished instead of Zarqawi.
Berg was all over the media and so I can't remember exact quotes (I did listen to him for over 20 minutes on Michael Medved's radio show).
Michael Berg did not come across to me as a pacifist. He seemed like the sort who'd be happy with the death of the president.
Both Michael Berg and "Mother Cindy" supported the Islamofascist terrorists before those very terrorists murdered their sons. Thus, instead of having moral authority as bereaved parents, they directly shared in responsibility for their sons' murder.
Michael Berg would have been ignored by society and the media had his son not been murdered ...and he loves it! He has no moral authority, but his son's views do as he (Nick) died to assert them. Nick Berg may have been foolish to travel to Iraq, but his motivation to bring prosperity to the Iraqis was noble.
Michael Berg could be beheaded and he would make just as much sense as he does now.
Mike Berg is a proud supporter of A.N.S.W.E.R. ... a front-group for the Marxist-Leninist World Workers Party.
I've never found pacifists to be sweet or endearing. On the contrary, they are condescending, holier than thou, know-it-alls. To borrow a term from the liberals...a Fundie.
Very fine difference. Unfortunately, the doser operator's sensor for idiots cannot distinguish between the two quickly and surely enough... otherwise, her useless life could be spared.
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