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Flag burning amendment would erode our freedoms [You won't be able to burn the flag!]
Capital Times ^ | 6-12-06 | Diane Everson

Posted on 06/12/2006 3:25:06 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: JRochelle

maybe it should be legal only if burned while a Congresscritter is wrapping his/herself in it.


21 posted on 06/12/2006 3:56:45 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!)
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To: SJackson
The vote is expected to be close.

That is the saddest observation of it all.

That means that many, if not most, of our elected representatives do not understand the vision of the Constitution. That is a sad sad commentary on those who sought and achieved elected office. It is more that sad, it is disgusting.

22 posted on 06/12/2006 4:00:33 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: SJackson
As First Amendment expert Paul McMasters says, "The amendment will set in motion a dramatic and lasting change in the way we view and treat political dissent. If the flag desecration amendment is ratified, for the first time in this nation's history we will have materially changed the Bill of Rights, which affirms and secures the fundamental rights of all Americans against the power and reach of the government."

Uh, no. That happened the first time somebody decided that the Second Amendment could be ignored and limitless gun control laws passed anyway. It continued when somebody else decided that you don't really need a search warrant to conduct a search and that you don't really need due process in order to confiscate somebody's private property. Nearly every one of the amendments in the Bill of Rights has been ignored by some well-meaning social reformer bent on doing what he or she wants to do anyway.

That said, it might be a little difficult for those of us who have flags that are too worn or dirty to fly anymore. At the moment the correct way of disposing of them is...yep, burning.

23 posted on 06/12/2006 4:02:57 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: spinestein
I have been saying this for years! I want the idiots inclined to burn flags to burn as many flags as possible, preferably on national TV. That makes it much harder to deny the hate America first underpinnings of most of the lefts issues.

It makes me ill to think that RINO's believe they can salvage their conservative credentials by trotting out this load O crap after all the damage they have done with campaign finance, fiscal irresponsibility and refusing to close the border and clamp down on illegals and all who employ them or help them obtain gubment cheese.

Regards
24 posted on 06/12/2006 4:04:20 PM PDT by DariusBane (I do not separate people, as do the narrow-minded, into Greeks and barbarians.)
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To: SJackson
I remember the punks who cut down the American Flag from the pole on top of Bascom Hall in 1969. There was a terrific picture of the bearded bastard running away from the pole with the flag falling behind him and the look of sheer terror as he realized he was caught in the lens.

It turned out the little shit was the offspring of a professor at the college. He was caught and showed up in court with a crew-cut and no facial hair.

I still think they should have strung him up on the flag pole by his neck.

25 posted on 06/12/2006 4:12:09 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: Strategerist
You are spewing sophistry, pure and simple!
26 posted on 06/12/2006 4:13:07 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: SJackson
"I solemnly swear to support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA against any enemy, foreign or DOMESTIC".

That being said, as long as we have open season on American Flag burners...

27 posted on 06/12/2006 4:15:57 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: Strategerist
Since according to government flag protocol you either have to bury or BURN any flag which happens to touch the ground, then how do you stop the demonstrators who "drop" their flag and then proceed to burn it as the proper disposal method?

Way too many ways for people to skirt this thing if anyone is determined to burn flags.
28 posted on 06/12/2006 4:26:23 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: SJackson

I'm torn between beating the cr@p out of anyone that burns my flag and letting them do it so they can show their own true colors.

Flag Day. Wednesday. Get 'em out there, Patriots! I'll have my big flag flying and smaller ones lining my drive.

And, of course, no one in the local area will notice or remember that it's even Flag Day.

Wonder how the Madistan papers and TV outlets will celebrate? Bet they ignore it completely...


29 posted on 06/12/2006 5:09:31 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: SJackson

I am strongly AGAINST a flag-burning amendment.

If some scumbag piece of #### wants to burn a US flag, I want to let him do it so I know who he/she is. Keep the roaches in the light -- it makes them easier to stomp economically, politically, or otherwise!


30 posted on 06/12/2006 5:12:08 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Redleg Duke
You are spewing sophistry, pure and simple!

You do understand that the number of flag burnings in the US will drastically INCREASE if it's banned, do you not?

It's going to encourage people to burn flags to become political martyrs. Either the penalties will be so light that people will do it and be paying small fines or happily spending a couple days in jail (and receiving massive amounts of publicity) or you'd have harsh penalties (unlikely) and you'd see an obsessive and 24/7 media focus on some guy languishing in jail for burning a flag that stays there longer than a guy that molests children or severely beats his wife or something.

And do you really want a guy to be in jail longer for burning a flag than for some sort of physical assault on another human being?

31 posted on 06/12/2006 5:31:19 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I'd go with the former, but you can't do that anymore.


32 posted on 06/12/2006 5:44:53 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Strategerist

I don't see your point.


33 posted on 06/13/2006 5:11:11 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: Strategerist
Somehow you've got to dance around determining the difference between "approved" flag burnings for old and damaged flags and "bad" flag burnings.

The only way to do this is to punish physical desecration of the flag with the intent of making a political statement. This clearly violates the First Amendment.

34 posted on 06/13/2006 7:57:09 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: piytar
If some scumbag piece of #### wants to burn a US flag, I want to let him do it so I know who he/she is. Keep the roaches in the light -- it makes them easier to stomp economically, politically, or otherwise!

Good point. A flag-burner's picture on the front of the local newspaper will do more harm to him (finding a job, walking the streets, etc.) than a night in jail.

35 posted on 06/13/2006 7:59:51 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: AmericanChef

You would be describing a liberal...to a tee.....


36 posted on 06/13/2006 8:03:35 AM PDT by auto power
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To: DariusBane
It makes me ill to think that RINO's believe they can salvage their conservative credentials by trotting out this load O crap after all the damage they have done with campaign finance, fiscal irresponsibility and refusing to close the border and clamp down on illegals and all who employ them or help them obtain gubment cheese.

*** DING DING DING *** No more calls; we have a winner!

37 posted on 06/13/2006 8:05:38 AM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: SJackson

They DID? Wasn't the defendant's conviction of malicious mischief upheld? I cannot find the court's exclusion of "fighting words" - can you help?


38 posted on 06/13/2006 8:28:12 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: azhenfud
I believe the conviction was overturned. The words in question, which accompanied the burning of the flag, "We don't need no damn flag…Yes; that is my flag; I burned it. If they let that happen to Meredith we don't need an American flag.".

STREET v. NEW YORK, 394 U.S. 576 (1969)

Nor could such a conviction be justified on the second ground mentioned above: the possible tendency of appellant's words to provoke violent retaliation. Though it is conceivable that some listeners might have been moved to retaliate upon hearing appellant's disrespectful words, we cannot say that appellant's remarks were so inherently inflammatory as to come within that small class of "fighting words" which are "likely to provoke the average person to retaliation, and thereby cause a breach of the peace." Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568, 574 (1942). And even if appellant's words might be found within that category, 1425, subd. 16, par. d, is not narrowly drawn to punish only words of that character, and there is no indication that it was so interpreted by the state courts. Hence, this case is again distinguishable from Chaplinsky, supra, in which the Court emphasized that the statute was "carefully drawn so as not unduly to impair liberty of expression . . . ." Id., at 574. See also Terminiello v. Chicago, supra.

39 posted on 06/13/2006 8:58:50 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

Does this include a proper disposal of the flag?

"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html


40 posted on 06/13/2006 12:01:09 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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