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Flag burning amendment would erode our freedoms [You won't be able to burn the flag!]
Capital Times ^ | 6-12-06 | Diane Everson

Posted on 06/12/2006 3:25:06 PM PDT by SJackson

"Things aren't always as they seem" is an old saying with common sense. Wednesday is Flag Day. A week later the U.S. Senate will debate a proposed constitutional amendment that reads, "The Congress shall have the power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States."

The vote is expected to be close. The House of Representatives has already passed this amendment. The next step would be ratification by two-thirds of the states. All 50 state legislatures have indicated they would support the amendment.

Our society has accepted 30-second sound bites for news. On the surface, the amendment sounds good and it stirs our patriotic juices. Most Americans find flag burning offensive and dislike the idea that it is considered free expression. It is understandable on the surface.

But we must pay attention to what is underneath the surface. There is a difference between not liking the speech or expression of another and giving up the right to our own free speech. Our forefathers created the Bill of Rights to prevent the will of the majority from trampling on the rights of the minority. Those who think this amendment is only about the flag are seriously mistaken.

As First Amendment expert Paul McMasters says, "The amendment will set in motion a dramatic and lasting change in the way we view and treat political dissent. If the flag desecration amendment is ratified, for the first time in this nation's history we will have materially changed the Bill of Rights, which affirms and secures the fundamental rights of all Americans against the power and reach of the government."

Why is this an issue now? The American Civil Liberties Union reports that flag burning or desecration is a rare occurrence. "Very few incidents of flag burning have been reported in the entire history of the United States. A person is more likely to be struck by lightning or win the lottery than to be exposed to a political flag burning," the ACLU says.

There was only one reported flag burning incident last year. While most people are uncomfortable with this behavior, criminalizing the people who do such acts is not more important than keeping our right to freedom of expression and hence our liberty.

Plus, this is taking attention away from the pressing issues Congress should be addressing. The war in Iraq is still going on, with resistance growing every day. It is costly in precious life and resources. According to the government accounting office, we are spending $200 million a day in Iraq alone.

In addition, many of our citizens are without adequate health insurance, gas prices are high, and the pressures on two-income households are shrinking our middle class. We're becoming have-nots.

Congress can no longer ignore the threats to our environment from global warming, the pollution that is finding its way into our food and water supply, and the lack of adequate funding for public education. This is not to mention the situations in the world where our help could truly make a difference, such as in Africa, where children are dying from preventable causes.

Our priorities need to be elsewhere than tampering with the guarantees of our freedom. The Constitution is the "living" document of our liberty, the flag is the symbol. The power and majesty we give the flag is not found in the ability to restrict by force those who may use the flag to make their political views known. Instead, it is in holding the Bill of Rights as precious and sacred. The right of everyone to have free speech, whether we agree with what they have to say or how they say it, is our true power and freedom.

Using this amendment as some sort of patriotic text of loyalty to our country undermines the sacrifices of our military men and women. They paid the supreme price to keep our freedoms. According to columnist Nat Hentoff, the only countries that punish desecration of their flags are China, Iran and Cuba. Is this who we want to emulate?

This amendment is not "saving" America as the proponents preach. To think that allowing freedom of expression will bring on terrorism is akin to thinking that carrying an umbrella will bring on a storm.


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KEYWORDS: distraction; shellgame; smokescreen
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Diane is correct, we would't need this amendment, were it not for the Supreme Court , who in Street v. New York ruled that flag burning didn't fall under the "fighting words" doctrine.

There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting words" those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.

— Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 1942


1 posted on 06/12/2006 3:25:09 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Just make it legal to beat the crap out of someone burning the flag, and the problem will go away.


2 posted on 06/12/2006 3:26:49 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SJackson
Isn't it illegal to start an uncontrolled fire in public anyways?
3 posted on 06/12/2006 3:29:38 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: SJackson

Most importantly from a practical point of view:

1) Everyone who has seen a flag burned IN PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY raise your hand...right, nobody. It's a solution in search of a problem....

2) It will actually INCREASE the number of flag burnings..

3) Somehow you've got to dance around determining the difference between "approved" flag burnings for old and damaged flags and "bad" flag burnings.


4 posted on 06/12/2006 3:29:51 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

ping


5 posted on 06/12/2006 3:31:16 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Strategerist

I saw a few flag burnings in the early 70's by some dirtbag hippies.


6 posted on 06/12/2006 3:32:26 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

But the number you've personally seen in the last 30 years, I trust, is zero :-)

Problem was solved by society without the legal intervention of the government.


7 posted on 06/12/2006 3:34:57 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

This is one stupid amendment proposal.

Its like the hate crime laws.

Congress is full of idiots.


8 posted on 06/12/2006 3:35:19 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: SJackson

She brings in many other matters our lawmakers should be spending their time on. They should just pass it and go on to the other matters, that's not a genuine argument against passing it.


9 posted on 06/12/2006 3:35:59 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Strategerist

Since I would never think of burning the flag I have no problem with this law.


10 posted on 06/12/2006 3:36:37 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: SJackson
holding the Bill of Rights as precious and sacred

Including the Second Amendment, I'm sure, right Ms Everson? Right. I'm sure that one's near and dear to her heart. Liberal ****!

11 posted on 06/12/2006 3:37:05 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: SJackson
Watch for more RINO motivated side issues designed to inflame neoconservatives and get out the vote in November. The real issue is illegal aliens, not the marriage amendment, not abortion, not anti flag burning legislation, not pro gun legislation ( although I can go for that big time.

There will be more such issues as anti flag burning law, designed to distract the conservative electorate away from the RINO press for amnesty by any other name.

We need to burn the RINO flag, and if it resembles old glory, so be it.

12 posted on 06/12/2006 3:41:40 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: SJackson
These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting words" those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.


Remember, in Berkley, CA, this includes flying the American Flag--The fire department was forbidden from flying flags on its' fire trucks after 9-11, because they were afraid it would incite violence from some of the "peace" loving hippies!
13 posted on 06/12/2006 3:42:37 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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To: SJackson

I cannot buy and ad and be critical of the Royal Senators when they run for office but I can burn the flag that is a bunch of crap.


14 posted on 06/12/2006 3:42:46 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: pissant

You are wise beyond your years, grasshopper.


15 posted on 06/12/2006 3:45:37 PM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: verity

I'm no spring chicken, but I'll take that as a compliment!


16 posted on 06/12/2006 3:47:29 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SJackson

Anyone who burns a flag in protest clearly hates everything (hate crime! hate crime!) and might be better served burning his or her own house down, except they probably don't and won't ever own a house.


17 posted on 06/12/2006 3:47:34 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: SJackson

like pissant said.. just make it legal to protect the flag the moment it is seen set ablaze within the vicinty of a Patriotic Citizen.. empower Patriots to protect it from harm


18 posted on 06/12/2006 3:49:16 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: SJackson

Modern Government - Men and women who invent problems then wring their hands, frantically searching for a solution to the purely mythical problems while ignoring actual, existing problems.


19 posted on 06/12/2006 3:51:15 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: SJackson

A few points to remember:

1) Burning a flag harms no one (unless you inhale the second hand smoke).

2) When a person burns an American flag they're saying, "Hey look at me, not only do I have a brain the size of a walnut, but I'm also so full of hate and paranoia that I believe the United States is the focus of evil in the world." Truth in advertising is a good thing.

3) While Congress is busy jerking themselves off with this flag burning issue, they'll be too occupied to pass more dangerous legislation, such as updating CFR to include the Internet.


20 posted on 06/12/2006 3:56:26 PM PDT by spinestein (The Democratic Party is the reason I vote for Republicans.)
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