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Sir! No Sir! Just saying no (barf alert!)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 06/09/2006 | Roger Ebert

Posted on 06/10/2006 11:26:50 AM PDT by KeyLargo

Sir! No Sir! Just saying no

Release Date: 2006

Ebert Rating: ***

BY ROGER EBERT / Jun 9, 2006

Quick question: When Jane Fonda was on her "FTA" concert tour during the Vietnam era, who was in her audience? The quick answer from most people would probably be, "anti-war hippies, left-wingers and draft-dodgers." The correct answer would be: American troops on active duty, many of them in uniform.

"Sir! No Sir!" is a documentary that about an almost-forgotten fact of the Vietnam era: Anti-war sentiment among U.S. troops grew into a problem for the Pentagon. The film claims bombing was used toward the end of the war because the military leadership wondered, frankly, if some of their ground troops would obey orders to attack. It's also said there were a few Air Force B-52 crews that refused to bomb North Vietnam. And in San Diego, sailors on an aircraft carrier tried to promote a local vote on whether their ship should be allowed to sail for Vietnam. One of the disenchanted veterans, although he is never mentioned in the film, was John Kerry, who was first decorated for valor, and later became a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War and testified before Congress.

After the turning point of the Tet offensive in 1968, troop morale ebbed lower, the war seemed lost, and a protest movement encompassed active duty troops, coffeehouses near bases in America, underground GI newspapers, and a modern "underground railway" that helped soldiers desert and move to Canada. According to Pentagon figures, there were some 500,000 desertions during the Vietnam years.

The film has been written and directed by David Zeiger, who worked in an anti-war coffee- house near Fort Hood, Texas. In a narration spoken by Troy Garity, the son of Fonda and Tom Hayden, his film says, "The memory has been changed." The GI anti-war movement has disappeared from common knowledge, and a famous factoid from the period claims returning wounded veterans were spit on by "hippies" as they landed at American airports. According to the film, that is an urban legend, publicized in the film "Rambo II: First Blood."

When we reviewed "Sir! No Sir!" on "Ebert & Roeper," we cited the film's questions about the spitting story. There is a book on the subject, The Spitting Image, by Jerry Lembcke, whose research failed to find a single documented instance of such an event occurring in real life. I received many e-mails, however, from those who claimed knowledge of such incidents. The story persists, and true or false is part of a general eagerness to blame our loss in Vietnam to domestic protesters, while ignoring the substantial anti-war sentiment among troops in the field.

Parallels with the war in Iraq are obvious. One big difference is that the Vietnam-era forces were largely supplied by the draft, while our Iraq troops are either career soldiers or National Guard troops, some of them on their second or third tours of duty. The Vietnam-era draft not only generated anti-war sentiment among those of draft age, but supplied the army with soldiers who did not go very cheerfully into uniform. The willingness of today's National Guardsmen to continue in combat is courageous and admirable, but cannot be expected to last indefinitely, and the political cost of returning to the draft system would be incalculable.

A group of recent documentaries has highlighted a conflict between information and "disinformation," that Orwellian term for attempts to rewrite history. The archetype of "Hanoi Jane" has been used to obscure the fact that Fonda appeared before about 60,000 GIs who apparently agreed with her. The Swift Boat Veterans incredibly tried to deny John Kerry's patriotism. The global warming documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" is being attacked by a TV ad campaign, underwritten by energy companies, which extols the benefits of CO2.

No doubt "Sir! No Sir!" will inspire impassioned rebuttals. No doubt it is not an impartial film, not with Fonda's son as its narrator. What cannot be denied is the newsreel footage of uniformed troops in anti-war protests, of Fonda's uniformed audiences at "FTA" concerts, of headlines citing Pentagon concern about troop morale, the "fragging" of officers, the breakdown of discipline, and the unwillingness of increasing numbers of soldiers to fight a war they had started to believe was wrong.

Cast & Credits

A documentary narrated by Troy Garity and featuring Edward Asner, Jane Fonda, Donald Sutherland, Terry Whitmore, Donald Duncan, Howard Levy, Oliver Hirsch, Susan Schnall, Randy Rowland, Louis Font, Dave Cline, Bill Short, Dave Blalock, Greg Payton, Darnell Summers, Michael Wong, Terry Whitmore, Joe Bangert, Richard Boyle, Jerry Lembcke, Terry Iverson, Tom Bernard and Keith Mather.

Balcony Releasing presents a documentary written and directed by David Zeiger. Running time: 85 minutes. No MPAA rating.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; War on Terror
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"The willingness of today's National Guardsmen to continue in combat is courageous and admirable, but cannot be expected to last indefinitely, and the political cost of returning to the draft system would be incalculable."

The MSM and Roger Ebert, lefty and notorious gay-friendly movie reviewer continue to hype anything anti-war or anti-military.

I will be skipping this pile of horse dung, so-called film.

1 posted on 06/10/2006 11:26:51 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

What a wet dream. Any soldier who admired Jane Fonda was a traitor, just like that POS Kerry. they deserved to be lined up and shot.


2 posted on 06/10/2006 11:30:49 AM PDT by pissant
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To: KeyLargo

The article is correct that American military morale declined dramatically towards the end of the war.

Among other things, who wants to be the last soldier to die in a lost war?

There was also a huge drug problem in the military during this period.


3 posted on 06/10/2006 11:33:15 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: KeyLargo

I remember that one of the big 3 abcnbccbs caught an army patrol, on film, in VietNam, near the end, refusing to go down a path. the MSM was calling it mutiny.


4 posted on 06/10/2006 11:34:34 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: KeyLargo
Cancerbutt has gone off the deep end. That's all there is to it.

He's stopped reviewing movies and devolved into a mere huckster; and like so many other Libs lately, he is willfully squandering what little good will he had built up over the years.

I wonder how his sponsors will feel about it.

5 posted on 06/10/2006 11:36:57 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: KeyLargo

Are any of these troops at the Fonda gatherings like the 'troops' that John Kerry brought along on his anti-war whistle stops?


6 posted on 06/10/2006 11:37:07 AM PDT by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: KeyLargo

Ask Roger Fatbert why are enlistment levels surpassing expectations. I stopped reading his reviews. He was at U of Va
hosting a film series. I remeber him saying that european voters were much more sophisticated than americans. After that I avoided his reviews. It was at that time when Siskel was ill
and Michael Medeved appeared on Chicago radio... a breath of fresh air.

I found Michael Medeved's reviews to be more insightful and
agreeable.


7 posted on 06/10/2006 11:38:13 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: KeyLargo

this guy's supposed to be a film critic? yet he doesn't know that the line concerning civilians spitting on soldiers is to be found near the end of "First Blood" - the FIRST Rambo movie (the actual title of the second movie is "Rambo: First Blood PART TWO")?

As this guy doesn't even know the subject of his own field of specialty, why the hell should anyone heed his other assertions of "fact"?

For the record, the spitting-on-soldiers story was well established in my youth in the 1970's, to the point that I recall "sensitive" hippie types BRAGGING that they had DONE this.


8 posted on 06/10/2006 11:39:45 AM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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"After the turning point of the Tet offensive in 1968"

I was there for the Tet offensive and witnessed what a disaster it was for the North -- as verified after the war by Gen. Giap. Of course, the traitorous Cronkite reported it all as a major U.S. loss and, effectively, and simultaneously, started the serious growth of the American anti-war movement and convinced the North, which was very close to suing for peace before the Cronkite reports, that they could, in fact, win with the help of America's "enemies from within." (again verified by their Gen. Giap)

The American left can and will happily lead us to defeat at every opportunity. They hate this country and all it stands for every bit as much as do the Islamo-fascists.
9 posted on 06/10/2006 11:40:10 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: KeyLargo

"The Swift Boat Veterans incredibly tried to deny John Kerry's patriotism."

Ebert: liberal leftist.

Your honor, I rest my case.


10 posted on 06/10/2006 11:42:36 AM PDT by angkor
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To: KeyLargo

Rog, your side won that war. Get over it.


11 posted on 06/10/2006 11:43:08 AM PDT by RichInOC (Jane Fonda likes it long and hard. Just ask the Vietnamese Army.)
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To: KeyLargo

"The Swift Boat Veterans incredibly tried to deny John Kerry's patriotism."
Typical Lefty misrepresentation. The SBV rightfully questioned his veracity about his own conduct, and his accusations against US troops. And there wasn't anything "incredible" in doing so.


12 posted on 06/10/2006 11:43:46 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: Restorer

Keep that Kerry propaganda were it belongs, in the dust bin of history.

"The last man to die for a mistake" is a classic Kerry post-vietnam quote. The Vietnam war was WON by 1968, Kerry and Fonda, with the collusion of foreign intelligence and communist spies, turned victory into defeat by convincing the US we couldn't win the war, that it was a mistake.

It wasn't a mistake to the estimated 2 million southeast Asians who died in communist purges after the US left.


13 posted on 06/10/2006 11:46:57 AM PDT by wvobiwan (If you're not part of the solution, you're obviously a liberal Democrat.)
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To: KeyLargo
"The willingness of today's National Guardsmen to continue in combat is courageous and admirable, but cannot be expected to last indefinitely, and the political cost of returning to the draft system would be incalculable."

That's not an untrue statement, though. And the long-term effects on recruitment are evident, as many people who would have signed up as only a Home Guard (without overseas deployment except following military attack by another nation) no longer have a place to enlist.

If we are going to be an active participant in overseas nation-building/interventionism, then we need a larger active-duty regular military, not the current alignment of National Guardsmen for offensive combat. Besides, the current regulations have limits on redeployment of Guardsmen, such that we are having to dig deeply into inactive reservists, like the 70-year-old sent to Afghanistan in 2004.

14 posted on 06/10/2006 11:47:48 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now wants to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: KeyLargo

He gave the Gore movie 4 stars. Nuff said.


15 posted on 06/10/2006 11:47:56 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: vetsvette
Tet of 69 was just as devastating for the North as Tet 68.

What nobody knew at the time, was, the north was a biscuit short of suing for peace during nixon's Linbacker II (1972 Christmas Bombing), when all we wanted was to get 'em back to the peace table...which it did.

not sure what this guy is smokin....
16 posted on 06/10/2006 11:50:17 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: KeyLargo; All
“Is chow allowed in the barracks, Private Ebert?”

“Sir! No Sir!”

“Are you allowed to eat jelly doughnuts, Private Ebert?”

“Sir! No Sir!”

“And why not, Private Ebert?”

“Sir, because I’m too heavy, Sir.”

“Because you are a disgusting fatbody, Private Ebert!”

17 posted on 06/10/2006 12:02:07 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Restorer
I'd have to ask some of our folks that were there for clarification, but could it be that was because:
1) Drafted soldiers didn't want to be there?
2) The media was in their heyday in that they were able to provide losing scenarios continuously, with no counter?
3) The druggies prevalent in our society were drafted, thus carried their own problems with them as they deployed?
4) (Sorry) Jane Fonda was then considered hot?
18 posted on 06/10/2006 12:03:37 PM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: KeyLargo
The willingness of today's National Guardsmen to continue in combat is courageous and admirable, but cannot be expected to last indefinitely

Not if Fatso has anything to say about it.

19 posted on 06/10/2006 12:06:35 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: dighton
Private Ebert, you climb obstacles like old people bump ugly!
You're too slow!
You're too fricking slow!
Get off of my obstacle! Get the HECK off of my obstacle!
Get your goll darned bubble gummed body the furp off of my obstacle!
20 posted on 06/10/2006 12:06:53 PM PDT by tongue-tied
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