Call It What It Is. The president’s plan is an illegal-immigrant amnesty.

Good read...

JD Hayworth, Mike Pence, Tom Tancredo,
True Conservatives! IMHO

HA! Someone's been reading my tagline.... ;)
susie

Hopefully, the house will put the Brakes to this plan ASAP!

Legal Definition;

amnesty n. a blanket abolition of an offense by the government, with the legal result that those charged or convicted have the charge or conviction wiped out. Examples: a) the amnesty given to Confederate officials and soldiers after the Civil War, or b) President Jimmy Carter's granting amnesty (under certain conditions) to those who violated the selective service act in evading the draft during the Vietnam War. The basis for amnesty is generally because the war or other conditions that made the acts criminal no longer exist or have faded in importance. Amnesty is not a pardon as some believe, since a pardon implies forgiveness, and amnesty indicates a reason to overlook or forget the offenses.

President Bush is just doing the job Americans won't do.

Well JD, just make sure you keep the steel in the spine of your fellow House memebrs, and not be hornswaggled by the Senate.

This is such a mess.

Of the 6.4 billion earthlings, about 4.8 billion exist below the Mexican standard of living.

If we want to "compassionate" and give US citizenship to people who "want to improved their lives", why not start with the poorest of the poor and work our way up?

I'm waiting for the story about the National Guard and how they are helping our BP people.

Still waiting..........

Bump. If the House does not stop this, crime/gangs/drugs will surge out of control. Spanish will replace English and the USA will go broke.

I heard JD on Doug McIntyre's show this morning (KABC radio, L.A.), making a ton of sense. He said it's possible that Hastert won't even bother to name conferees to the joint Senate-House committee, which would, in essence, be a pocket veto of the Monstrosity.

God, if it could only be so...

Cats and dogs living together...mass hysteria!!!!

---Illegal aliens will have to “pay taxes”: That’s no penalty; they’re supposed to pay taxes. In fact, according the Sen. Chuck Grassley, under Bush’s plan illegals would have the option to only have to pay three of their last five years in back taxes.

They have to “keep their nose clean”: Big deal. So does everybody else.

They have to get a tamper-proof ID card: Oh, the humanity!

They’ll have to stay employed: But isn’t that why they came here, to do jobs Americans won’t?

They’ll have to learn English: That’s a benefit to the illegal.

Most of these “benchmarks” would be required of any legal immigrant. They are in no way burdensome, yet Tony Snow makes them sound almost oppressive.

The only real punishment on the entire list is the fine. Know what it is? A measly $2,000 payable in two $1,000 installments. When you consider what illegals get for their two grand, it’s the deal of a lifetime.---

We're supposed to believe that the government doesn't have the resources to enforce our laws, but that they'll enforce these conditions somehow. I think what outrages many of us more than anything is that they have the gall to peddle this crap.

The country has more important things to focus on. Tax cuts. Iraq. Iran. The 2006 elections. Jeb Bush's future. Phone records. Global warming. The rights of bicyclists.

Of the 6.4 billion earthlings, about 4.8 billion exist below the Mexican standard of living.

Of the 4.8 billion who exist below the Mexican standard of living, about 4.8 billion of them would come to the USA if they had the means.

Where does it stop?

We're supposed to believe that the government doesn't have the resources to enforce our laws, but that they'll enforce these conditions somehow. I think what outrages many of us more than anything is that they have the gall to peddle this crap.

EXCELLENT point!

(Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)

Glenn I nominate you for tagline of the month! or year!! That is so profound and true. The Bushbots hate being confronted on issues and only hurl spin and insult in return.

Wait till the Central American gangs hit your hood. Then let's see what you have to say.

I really see this as a "good cop, bad cop" scenario for
the GOP.

They need to be fired.

(Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)

Glenn I nominate you for tagline of the month! or year!! That is so profound and true. The Bushbots hate being confronted on issues and only hurl spin and insult in return.

I second the motion.

"We're supposed to believe that the government doesn't have the resources to enforce our laws, but that they'll enforce these conditions somehow."

That's it in a nutshell. They'll give the same reasons for not enforcing these new shamnesty laws as the old. Just take one provision. Do you know what a bureaucratic nightmare it will be to ensure that all illegals learn English? Bush will have to grow the government again just to enforce this requirement. Congress will never fund it and we'll be right back where we are now.

A good read and true!

The next president of the USA will be the one who says, "Within 100 days of my inauguration, I will send the military to the southern border and absolutely control our borders. Then, and only then, will I discuss the problem of illigal aliens in this country."

A wall.........ASAP.

"The next president of the USA will be the one who says, "Within 100 days of my inauguration, I will send the military to the southern border and absolutely control our borders. Then, and only then, will I discuss the problem of illigal aliens in this country."

That rules out everyone who is currently running. It's a beautiful statement though. That person would get my vote.

If Clinton had tried to do this in his governance, the republicans would have skewered him. Now, because it is our perception that it its one our own, we dolefully turn a blind eye. This administration will, with the signing of this act, do more to harm this country than anything Bill Clinton ever did. Blow jobs and high tech secrets to the Chinese communists and lying under oaths are farts in a whirlwind compared to what is being foistered over on the American population by Mr.Bush.

I can sum up this whole freakin debacle.

The American people wanted illegals stopped.
What we are getting is an illegal Benefits package.

Sick.

Great tagline...I agree.

Karl Rove and the President think that this Orwellian double-speak will be accepted by conservatives. They will be proven profoundly wrong.

Pretty much... yeah.

I'm big on the whole "Constitution" and "Rule of Law" things... ignore those, and I won't care what your party affiliation is. I won't vote for you. Promote an originalist approach to the Constitution, and endorse Laws made in accordance with it, and you'll lock down my vote for as long as you stay true to your Oath.

There isn't a single candidate from a single party that does that though. A couple GOPer's, a few libertarians on bad standing with the LP, and one or two Constitution Party members, meet the criteria. Everyone else seems to be out to lunch and are endorsing some pet issue that has absolutely no place in a Constitutional Republic.

They left out the other benefits to the illegals and their families and WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT? The Senate is plum LOCO. Its the great American giveaway at taxpayer expense.Call and let them know what you think about their grandiose giveaway!

from Congressional record 5/24/06 (there was some rebuttal saying illegals would pay taxes etc..Kennedy crap)

Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. President, according to the budget point of order the Senator from Colorado has raised, he will be focusing on, I believe, the second 10 years. The Congressional Budget Office has told us that the first 10 years are net losers. They say that direct spending in this bill authorizes $54 billion. There will be $66 billion in revenue, and discretionary spending will be $64 billion, for a net cost in the first 10 years of $52 billion. That is really significant. The numbers are far worse in the outyears.

Those of us who have watched this Congress operate over the years and have been in it a few years realize that we make some of our biggest mistakes when we jump into programs that sound good at the time and we have not calculated the long-term costs to our country, and we wake up wondering how it ever happened. Sometimes we need to go back to look at precisely how it occurred.

Robert Rector has done some serious number-crunching for the second 10 years. He was a chief architect of America’s welfare reform bill. He is a senior analyst at the Heritage Foundation, a very well respected group in town. These are some of the things he says about that. He believes—let me tell you—that the numbers could be $50 billion to $60 billion PER YEAR in the second decade. This is one of his quotes: In the long run, this bill, if enacted, would prove the largest expansion of Government welfare in 35 years.

The largest expansion of Government welfare in 35 years. He estimates that the bill’s provisions that put illegal aliens on a direct path to citizenship will result in $16 billion per year of net additional costs to the Federal Government for benefits given to the amnestied individuals alone. This is just the group that is in the first amnesty. This will be in the amnesty of those who are already here. That will cost $16 billion per year.

He also points out that the fiscal impact of the cost to the Treasury caused by the Senate bill will extend far beyond the benefits given to the individual aliens, those who are here seeking amnesty. Once those aliens receive legal permanent status—that is the green card, and that is what they will receive under the bill before us—they have an automatic guaranteed right to bring their spouses and minor children into the United States even if this had not been one of their strong desires to begin with. Now they have an automatic right to do this. So that will greatly expand the total number of people ultimately granted citizenship under this bill’s provisions. It is not just the people who are here. Undoubtedly, the welfare estimate of $16 billion per year will increase. That is a low estimate. Once an illegal alien becomes a citizen, they have an additional unrestricted right to bring their parents in. Many of these parents will be elderly and need medical care. The Heritage Foundation report points out that parents under the Medicare system could cost as much as $18,000 per person. They estimate that even if 10 percent of the people who are provided citizenship—we are talking about getting into the second 10 years because it will take about that long to go through the process of getting a green card under the restrictions of the bill and under their request for citizenship. You can bring your children and your wife with a green card. If you have a green card, you can bring them. If you become a citizen, you can bring your parents and your brothers and sisters, and they can bring their children. But he estimates that would be $30 billion a year in the outyears.

You say that cannot be. Well, all I know is Members of this body debated for years welfare reform. The people who opposed welfare reform and opposed it steadfastly—and President Clinton vetoed it several times—said it was going to increase poverty. The others argued: No, it will help lift people out of poverty. What has happened? Welfare rolls have dropped by more than 50 percent, and the number of children being raised in poverty is lower than it was at that time. Who said that would happen? Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation. He was proven correct in that debate. I submit that he is one of the more brilliant students of public life today, of welfare and all of the related issues. He said it will be $50 billion to $60 billion a year in the next decade. That is a lot of money. That is really a lot of money. Over 10 years, that amounts to a half trillion dollars.

So we have to think about this. I suggest to my colleagues that we have not thought this through. We don’t even have an official CBO score on the second 10 years. We are asking the country, the American taxpayer, who lifts the burdens and pays our fat salary and takes care of us and everything else in this Federal Government, to just take a walk with us in the hope that something good might happen. I don’t think so.

more here, use next page bottom right to change pages.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S5081&dbname=2006_record

Wait till the Central American gangs hit your hood. Then let's see what you have to say.

(yawn) Lighten up, Francis. You've only got 8 hours or so till SavageWeiner is on, save your strength so you can yell along with the radio.

I'm against any amnesty too.

No amnesty for employers who have broken the law by hiring illegal immigrants.

No amnesty for cities or other councils who have provided services illegally

No amnesty for any citizen of the United States who has benefited from illegally hired labor through buying goods or services at lower prices.

At a minimum, severe fines and jail time for... well, the whole country. Why discriminate against some lawbreakers and not penalize ALL?

Or, we can be reasonable and make lemonade out of lemons.

best,
ampu

Too Damn Bad Senor Jorge and the whores in congress doesn't see fit to grant the same benefits to American Citizens as they do to CRIMINALS!

"President's Plan is an Illegal Immigrant Amnesty" )(Breathless wisdom from Wash. DC)

Gee, you think?

Next they will be advising us to shut off our lawnmowers before we clean under the decks:
"People who clean under their lawnmowers decks while the engine is running face risk of severe personal injury or death"

Tried to call my Senator today. Voicemail full in local office. Voicemail full in D.C. office. Had to resort to email.

Methinks they're hearing from us on this one. :-)

I third the motion!

JD Hayworth nails it!!

The President laid a broad outline for his immigration idea. The final immigration bill from the Senate are something else, and definitely cannot be named his plan.

This title on this article should say Liberal Senators plan for Amnesty.

The penalty for using a phony Social Security card is a fine of up to $250,000 and/or five years in jail. But Bush wants illegals to get pardoned for that serious crime and all their other immigration-related crimes. In the president’s plan, illegals get to have what they earned illegally counted toward Social Security benefits for themselves and their survivors.

This is an outrage. How dare Bush...

Hard working illegals will move on to better jobs and the lowlifes among them will collect Social Security disability payments for the rest of their lives.

On our dime.

Why not just throw the boomer generation away - Americans who earned their social security. Will Bush bankrupted Social Security for the benefit of people who illegally broke into our country?

This is an outrage.

Either way, the farmer's aren't going to have anyone to pick their crops - illegals will either move onto better jobs or take the low disability route.

Scratch off Mike Pence. He is offering his own amnesty plan. The Guest-Worker Plan Conservatives Should Embrace

The USG has the responsibility to enforce its own immigration laws as authoried by Congress and approved byh the President. The blame for lack of enforcement falls squarely on the federal government and not the states or employers or consumers.

Agree that Hayworth has got it right. I wonder why Hayworth voted against the House bill.

"With the number of MS-13 members growing nationwide (some cliques now even accept non-Hispanic members), and the violence escalating, the future for law enforcement appears grim."

Wonder what effect a 100 million more from Mexico and Central America will have on your neigborhood over the next 10 years?

Think they will not come? They are already here.

JD Hayworth, Mike Pence, Tom Tancredo, True Conservatives! IMHO

You can cross Pence off that list as he's succumbed to the pro-amnesty crowd and compromised with the White House/Senate view.

All true!

If Clinton had tried to do this in his governance, the republicans would have skewered him. Now, because it is our perception that it its one our own, we dolefully turn a blind eye. This administration will, with the signing of this act, do more to harm this country than anything Bill Clinton ever did. Blow jobs and high tech secrets to the Chinese communists and lying under oaths are farts in a whirlwind compared to what is being foistered over on the American population by Mr.Bush.

I could not agree more this threatens the Republic and if this goes through will destroy this country.

Thanks for your participation and we will continue to fight the good fight.

Nice picture. Evil nonwhite man, oooooh, scary.

Yes, I posted "the race card" just because it's so easy and fun watching you people go all prissy and crybaby. Your obsession with this issue would be alarming if you all didn't just discover it one month ago and are all pretending you've been posting on it 24/7 for six years now.