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Citizenship by birthright up for debate
AP ^ | 5/22/6 | GIOVANNA DELL'ORTO

Posted on 05/22/2006 12:49:34 PM PDT by SmithL

Laila Montezuma was 16 when she sneaked across the Rio Grande from Mexico with her mother, only to be abandoned by the smuggler paid to get them into the United States. They had to hire another "coyote" to reach Houston.

But Montezuma's own daughter will be spared those struggles. Even if Montezuma and her husband are both deported for being illegal immigrants, little Alma could eventually return to enjoy the opportunities her parents sought here.

"She's not going to have to fight for anything for the simple fact that she was born here," Montezuma said as her infant daughter played in a waiting room at a pediatrics clinic in suburban Atlanta.

About 2 million families face the risk of being split up because the children are U.S.-born citizens but the parents are illegal immigrants. At least one lawmaker has proposed ending citizenship by birthright, restricting automatic citizenship at birth to children of U.S. citizens and legal residents.

The United States has one of the most liberal citizenship policies in the world, granting citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil based on an 1868 constitutional amendment. About 3.1 million children are U.S. citizens by birth, even though one or both of their parents are here illegally, according to estimates by the Pew Hispanic Center.

Supporters of that measure say it is the only way to fully integrate immigrants.

"A person has a stake in the society where they are, and you can't beat that as an integration measure," said Demetrios Papademetriou, president of the Migration Policy Institute, a Washington think tank.

But critics who want to eliminate the right insist it is a magnet for illegal immigration and an obstacle in efforts to deport millions of illegal immigrants.

"It's not as large a magnet as jobs, but it will be easier to solve the problem of illegal immigration if we avoid the mixed-family situation," said Rep. Nathan Deal, R-Ga., who tried unsuccessfully to revoke the citizenship-by-birth right in the immigration bill passed by the House in December.

Deal and other advocates of stricter controls say immigrants come to the U.S. in part to have "anchor babies" - children who can offer their parents some immunity from deportation and then petition for them to receive green cards after turning 21. But just how many immigrants do so is unclear.

Border Patrol agents rescue one or two immigrants in labor every year.

Daniel McClafferty, part of a Border Patrol medical team, found an 18-year-old woman in shock with her newborn daughter last month about 20 miles north of the border in the desolate foothills of the Arizona desert.

A fellow immigrant had helped deliver the baby, cutting her umbilical cord with a nail clipper. McClafferty helped evacuate the mother on a helicopter and carry the baby to the closest road, four miles away.

Alejandro Ramos with the Mexican consulate in Tucson, Ariz., said the mother had asked for a U.S. birth certificate for her daughter, but her whereabouts were unknown.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers try not to separate families but they do "arrest and remove people every day who have dependents in the U.S.," said agency spokesman Marc Raimondi.

Immigrants who are ordered deported can ask a judge to let them stay if, among other things, they are able to prove their deportation would be an "extremely unusual hardship" to a U.S.-citizen spouse or child.

Immigration judges typically consider whether children can speak the language of their parents' native country, whether they have enough money to survive and whether they have serious health problems, said Elaine Komis of the Executive Office of Immigration Review, which runs federal immigration courts.

Even though Luz Maria Medrano of Las Vegas was ordered deported along with her second husband, the couple won permanent residency after a six-year legal battle when a judge found her 7-year-old, U.S.-born son would not receive proper treatment for his learning disability in Mexico.

She's especially happy for her other 17-year-old son, who was born in Mexico. She carried him across the Arizona desert when he was 12 months old to flee an abusive ex-husband.

"I felt very responsible," said Medrano, a 40-year-old real estate agent. "It was for him that I would have suffered more if they had sent us to Mexico. Now the future for him will be grandiose. Here, whatever you do, you'll be successful at."

Back at the suburban Atlanta clinic serving Spanish-speaking families, Irma Baldonado recalled being two months pregnant when she immigrated illegally to California. She left her first-born daughter in El Salvador with her mother and has not seen the child in seven years. She hopes her two children who were born here will one day get papers for their 10-year-old sister to join them.

"It's what I wish for the most," Baldonado said. "Then it will all have been worth it."

ON THE NET

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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement: http://www.ice.gov/


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; birthright; citizenship
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1 posted on 05/22/2006 12:49:37 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Here is what the debate should be. "Is it a good idea?"

Answer: Hell no.

Get rid of it.


2 posted on 05/22/2006 12:52:34 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SmithL
Doesn't the highlighted part already exempt illegal ailens?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, /and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
3 posted on 05/22/2006 12:52:46 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Bu with the volume of illegals' and their anchor babies, it should be changed.


4 posted on 05/22/2006 12:54:59 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: pissant

Alberto Gonzalez, the Attorney General of the USA, had illegal grandparents. Should his citizenship be revoked?


5 posted on 05/22/2006 12:56:53 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: SmithL

bttt


6 posted on 05/22/2006 12:58:58 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Borges

Indeed. Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to yell fire in a crowded theater either.


7 posted on 05/22/2006 12:59:18 PM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: conserv13

Going forward is more important than the past. Alberto's parents came here illegally, but that does not mean going forward, we prevent such incursions.


8 posted on 05/22/2006 12:59:19 PM PDT by pissant
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To: conserv13

Is he illegal now or has he been naturalized? Nice try at a strawman...


9 posted on 05/22/2006 12:59:21 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: conserv13

Well, he'd be grandfathered in.


10 posted on 05/22/2006 12:59:42 PM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: pgyanke

He was naturalized because of the law that some want to have changed. He is an 'anchor baby'. I guess you don't want to make it retroactive.


11 posted on 05/22/2006 1:01:03 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: pissant; conserv13

"we prevent such incursions" SHOULD read----"we NOT prevent such incustions"


12 posted on 05/22/2006 1:01:04 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SmithL
There is no way congress can get the votes to change this so any efforts to make this an issue is wasted. All energy and efforts should be focused on securing the border. If we secure the border this issue becomes moot!
13 posted on 05/22/2006 1:01:10 PM PDT by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out millions for nothing!)
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To: SmithL
About 2 million families face the risk of being split up because the children are U.S.-born citizens but the parents are illegal immigrants. At least one lawmaker has proposed ending citizenship by birthright, restricting automatic citizenship at birth to children of U.S. citizens and legal residents.

This is a fraudulent statement from the get-go. No family faces the risk of being split up. Certainly no rational normal family. Any dicision to do so, and it is an individual decision, is the parents'. Period.
In fact, any "family" who would abandon a minor to safeguard an illegally obtained immigration status is guilty of child abuse, pure and simple.

But to get to the crux of the problem, yes, the "born here" right of citizenship should have been eliminated a long time ago.
How absurd is this scenario (not that far-fetched)?

A sleeper "family" is sent by the ROP to eventually perform an act of mass murder against Americans. It doesn't matter if they arrive legally or overstay a tourist or student visa. The female gives birth in the United States.

Can anyone argue that in fact the child automatically should be a citizen of the United States of America? How insane is that?

14 posted on 05/22/2006 1:01:53 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: SmithL

The number of Americans who can't answer basic questions about how the government works makes me doubt the benefits of giving automatic citizenship to _anyone_ based on birth.

"Service Guarantees Citizenship" doesn't sound like such a bad idea anymore.


15 posted on 05/22/2006 1:02:32 PM PDT by Tequila25 (Would you like to know more?)
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To: pissant

This article sounded way too sympathetic towards the illegals..

When it said no one knows how many actually come here to have anchor babies...they obviously haven't visited Parkland Hospital in Dallas Texas...

I think about 99% of the babies born there are from illegals..


16 posted on 05/22/2006 1:03:03 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Barney Gumble

This will be tied up in the courts forever.


17 posted on 05/22/2006 1:03:57 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: Borges
Doesn't the highlighted part already exempt illegal ailens?................. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, /and subject to the jurisdiction thereof/, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Up until 1924, that clause excluded even American Indians born on U.S. soil.

It required the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, to have the law recognize American Indians born on U.S. soil as U.S. citizens by birth.

18 posted on 05/22/2006 1:04:05 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Borges
Doesn't the highlighted part already exempt illegal ailens?

Apparently not.
"... subject to the jurisdiction of ..." may have been crystal clear some time in the distant past, but I suspect that a dozen legal jurisdictions scattered throughout the United States would arrive at as many conflicting opinions as are possible about what it means, today.

So, no. One can't say that illegals are exempted...

19 posted on 05/22/2006 1:05:47 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: conserv13
Alberto Gonzalez, the Attorney General of the USA, had illegal grandparents. Should his citizenship be revoked?

Don't be silly.
Were his parents legal residents when he was born?

20 posted on 05/22/2006 1:07:16 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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