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DNA study shows it was messy when humans and chimps parted ways
AP ^ | 5/17/6 | MATT CRENSON

Posted on 05/17/2006 11:38:28 AM PDT by presidio9

Humans and chimps diverged from a single ancestral population through a complex process that took four million years, according to a new study comparing DNA from the two species.

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By analyzing about 800 times more DNA than previous studies of the human-chimp split, researchers from the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard were able to learn not just when, but a little bit about how the sister species arose.

"For the first time we're able to see the details written out in the DNA," said Eric Lander, founding director of the Broad Institute. "What they tell us at the least is that the human-chimp speciation was very unusual."

The researchers hypothesize that an ancestral ape species split into two isolated populations about 10 million years ago, then got back together after a few thousand millennia. At that time the two groups, though somewhat genetically different, would have mated to form a third, hybrid population. That population could have interbred with one or both of its parent populations. Then, at some point after 6.3 million years ago, two distinct lines arose.

Some experts in human evolution are skeptical of that precise scenario, but nevertheless impressed with the study.

"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

Past studies that compared human and chimp DNA could only offer a point estimate of how long ago the two species split by averaging the amount of divergence in their genes. Generally, those studies come up with a figure of about seven million years ago.

But since the completion of the chimpanzee genome project in September it is possible to look at how specific sections of the genetic code have evolved. The Broad Institute study, which will be published in a future issue of the journal Nature, is one of the first to do that.

"There are a lot of big surprises here," Lander said.

For one thing, the new data suggest the human-chimp split was much closer to the present than the seven-million-year date that fossils and previous studies indicate - certainly no earlier than 6.3 million years ago, and more likely in the neighbourhood of 5.4 million.

The data also show that the human-chimp split probably took millions of years. That's because in some parts of the DNA sequence the genetic difference between humans and chimps is so large that those genes must have been isolated from each other nearly 10 million years ago. But in other places the human and chimp lines are so close that they appear to have still been swapping genetic material at least until 6.3 million years ago.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: evolution; humanzee; oliver; puleeeeeez
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1 posted on 05/17/2006 11:38:32 AM PDT by presidio9
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DNA study shows it was messy when humans and chimps parted ways

I can't imaging it being nearly as messy as if the two tried to come back together.....

2 posted on 05/17/2006 11:43:34 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Freerepublic - The website where "Freepers" is not in the spell checker dictionary...)
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3 posted on 05/17/2006 11:46:18 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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DNA study shows it was messy when humans and chimps parted ways

Think of all the poo that must have been flung...

4 posted on 05/17/2006 11:47:11 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: presidio9

>> DNA study shows it was messy when humans and chimps parted ways <<

Ya know, the usual flinging of feces,...


5 posted on 05/17/2006 11:47:59 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Onelifetogive; PatrickHenry

Interesting and thanks for the article


6 posted on 05/17/2006 11:48:17 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Reaganesque

DAGNABBIT!!! You waited until SECONDS before I was going to post, didn't you!!!? :^D


7 posted on 05/17/2006 11:48:47 AM PDT by dangus
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To: presidio9
DNA study shows it was messy when humans and chimps parted ways

And yet it's always the children who suffer most...

8 posted on 05/17/2006 11:50:04 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

That's nothing. I heard someone actually had sex with Hillary. (Course the guy that did it isn't known for being particular)

9 posted on 05/17/2006 11:50:25 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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But in other places the human and chimp lines are so close that they appear to have still been swapping genetic material at least until 6.3 million years ago.

We aren't talking about swappin' spit here.........yuck
10 posted on 05/17/2006 11:50:45 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: presidio9

Another evolutionary fairy tale.


11 posted on 05/17/2006 11:52:36 AM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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Heck, I know several prominent people who are only two or three generations removed from their chimpanzee ancestry, including this one...


12 posted on 05/17/2006 11:56:10 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: presidio9

Breaking up is hard to do.........


13 posted on 05/17/2006 11:58:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: Rodm

"Another evolutionary fairy tale."

Yep, even for one who believes in some form of evoloution.


14 posted on 05/17/2006 11:58:37 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: presidio9

James Carville concurs.


15 posted on 05/17/2006 12:05:42 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Onelifetogive
I can't imaging it being nearly as messy as if the two tried to come back together.....

Isn't that what gave us AIDS?

Of course the claim is that it started perhaps by eating a chimp, but I don't know about that...

At the opening of this year's meeting, Hahn made the case that this event almost certainly occurred in west equatorial Africa when someone caught the virus from a chimp, perhaps after killing the ape for food.

16 posted on 05/17/2006 12:17:33 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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The researchers hypothesize that an ancestral ape species split into two isolated populations about 10 million years ago, then got back together after a few thousand millennia. At that time the two groups, though somewhat genetically different, would have mated to form a third, hybrid population. That population could have interbred with one or both of its parent populations. Then, at some point after 6.3 million years ago, two distinct lines arose.

I can't tell if we're discussing evolution, or the rules for playing "Fizzbin"...


17 posted on 05/17/2006 12:39:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Yes, the theory is that the tradition of eating 'Bush Meat' in inner parts of Africa (aka killing wild animals, including apes, for food) was the most likely way as to how the AIDS virus crossed into the human population...


18 posted on 05/17/2006 12:49:35 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Four-time Bush Voter 1994-2004!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Al Simmons

There are other theories, including some conspiracy theories. But what about the theory that some pervert simply decided to have sex with his nearest relative?


19 posted on 05/17/2006 12:57:37 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Well, its certainly more plausible than the 'germ warfare' theory (which is mainly advanced by assorted anti-semitic, anti-American, NAZI-sympathizing, Holocaust-denying, 'The WTC was brought down by demolition charges' crackpots.... and I am not joking here - these types of lunatics usually believe all of the above...)


20 posted on 05/17/2006 1:02:18 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Four-time Bush Voter 1994-2004!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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