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A FAIRTAX PRIMER
self | May 14, 2006 | self

Posted on 05/14/2006 1:59:13 PM PDT by RobFromGa

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To: Principled
No, they plan to start by eliminating the taxes that the nrst will replace.

It is simultaneous.

41 posted on 05/14/2006 4:18:24 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Driveby Media is thrashing about like dinosaurs caught in the tar pits.)
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To: lewislynn
I would still have to pay tax when I spend my money...That's why they call it a "replacement" tax.

That's right. This is why some say purchasing power will remain constant. Folks still pay tax, just pay the nrst instead of income, payroll, and embedded taxes.

42 posted on 05/14/2006 4:19:34 PM PDT by Principled
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To: RobFromGa
It is simultaneous.

Is it? You said otherwise two posts up.

43 posted on 05/14/2006 4:21:00 PM PDT by Principled
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To: goldstategop
We really don't know if taxes will rise under a FairTax system.

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What I'm talking about isn't wishful thinking but rather patterns of human behavior and economic rules that have driven life for thousands of years.

Then you also don't know or rather do know it's wishful thinking that businesses will arbitrarily pass on all savings to consumers.
44 posted on 05/14/2006 4:24:54 PM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lies. (no it's not a mistake)
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To: RobFromGa

TITLE I--REPEAL OF THE INCOME TAX, PAYROLL TAXES, AND ESTATE AND GIFT TAXES

SEC. 101. INCOME TAXES REPEALED.

SEC. 102. PAYROLL TAXES REPEALED.

SEC. 103. ESTATE AND GIFT TAXES REPEALED.

THe first things legislated by the bill are above. If this is what you were referring to, you were wrong. If there is some other reason you believe the tax will be added onto existing prices with repealing the old taxes first, please share.


45 posted on 05/14/2006 4:26:35 PM PDT by Principled
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To: lewislynn
...it's wishful thinking that businesses will arbitrarily pass on all savings to consumers.

Not wishful, dumb. It's not "arbitrary" at all. Savings must be passed on in the form of lower prices, higher wages, or improved ROI (all benefit the individual). Competition dictates the breakdown and it most certainly will vary by industry and business.

46 posted on 05/14/2006 4:28:55 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

You appear to be confused.


47 posted on 05/14/2006 4:31:31 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Driveby Media is thrashing about like dinosaurs caught in the tar pits.)
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To: RobFromGa
Perhaps. I saw you post that the first thing that would happen after passage of nrst is increase in price by the amount of the tax on all retail purchases.

I responded by saying existing taxes would be repealed first and that not all retail purchases are taxed under the nrst. What did I confuse?

48 posted on 05/14/2006 4:33:48 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
A big problem with the embedded tax issue for small business is that the "tax" value portion of your inventory can not and does not dissipate overnight. Inventory turn rates can be as little as one to two days, and as long as a year or more. Even with LIFO cost averaging on inventory values, either I keep my margins (maintain current pre-tax pricing) or the government is going to have to pay me the embedded tax value of my existing inventory on the day the law changes. Guess which one isn't going to happen.

It's the ultimate "catch-22" Prices go up 30%, my sales go down 50%, I'm stuck with the embedded tax cost of my pre-existing inventory, I go bankrupt.

49 posted on 05/14/2006 4:37:36 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel

Go ahead and declare bankruptcy while your competitors laugh. Read the bill.


50 posted on 05/14/2006 4:38:56 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

There we go with the "You're just too stupid again..."
Now answer the question, or reply intelligently to the statement.


51 posted on 05/14/2006 4:40:23 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel

See section 902. THen when you've read it, you can come back and make something up about why it isn't really there.


52 posted on 05/14/2006 4:41:49 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

I was responding to a poster saying we don't don't know if taxes will rise and I told her where the starting point is, which is 30%. You came along and read more into that than is there.

And bills are meant to be read that things are all happening simultaneously, unless vebiage shows timing. Like with the Constitution, we have all three branches of Govt, all established simultaneously, even though they are listed in order in the Articles.


53 posted on 05/14/2006 4:42:03 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Driveby Media is thrashing about like dinosaurs caught in the tar pits.)
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To: xcamel

You're not too stupid, you're emotionally involved to the extent that reality doesn't matter on an anon board. Read 902. DId you even know it was there?


54 posted on 05/14/2006 4:43:03 PM PDT by Principled
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To: RobFromGa
I was responding to a poster saying we don't don't know if taxes will rise and I told her where the starting point is, which is 30%.

Right. But how, if tax is first (or simultaneously) eliminated, will the price increase be the full amount of the replacement tax?

55 posted on 05/14/2006 4:45:15 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
will the price increase be the full amount of the replacement tax?

I didn't say that, I said the tax would start at 30%. I made it clear in the post that started this thread where I think prices will start relative to today. I think you are just trying to sow confusion since you have no facts or analysis of your own to offer.

56 posted on 05/14/2006 4:57:30 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Driveby Media is thrashing about like dinosaurs caught in the tar pits.)
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To: Principled
It's a chicken-or-egg conundrum. A credit doesn't pay the bills, sales at a profit does. It takes allot of sales to make up for 30% of the value of the pre-existing inventory. With the economy in a state of complete turmoil at the time of FT being signed into law, no businessperson I know of is going to be the first one to "trust the government".

A rising tide may raise all boats, but a tsunami sinks everything.

57 posted on 05/14/2006 4:58:05 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: RobFromGa
I think you are just trying to sow confusion since you have no facts or analysis of your own to offer.

Well, you're wrong there. I thought you were saying that prices would increase by the amount of the tax. Perhaps I've confused you with Lewislynn who says this regularly. If that has happened, I sincerely apologize.

58 posted on 05/14/2006 5:06:16 PM PDT by Principled
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To: xcamel

Oh so now you've read it. Now you're here to tell us it doesn't matter. Predictable!

You didn't even know 902 (crediting inventory) was there, did you? Ever think it would help to read hr 25?


59 posted on 05/14/2006 5:07:57 PM PDT by Principled
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To: xcamel
A credit doesn't pay the bills, sales at a profit does.

ANd just when would the seller get the money to pay his bills if there were no switch to an nrst?..... sagebrush rolling... crickets chirping...

When he sells the product, of course. When will he get is money under the nrst (with the credit for embedded costs)? When he sells the product, of course.

I think you'd be wise to let us all think you a fool rather than opening your mouth and proving it. LOL

60 posted on 05/14/2006 5:11:13 PM PDT by Principled
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