"Bellinger didn't deny there were a large number of CIA flights," Fava said."When did you stop beating your wife?"
Posted on 05/13/2006 4:03:50 PM PDT by edpc
The U.S. government acknowledged yesterday that the CIA operated "a very high number" of secret flights that stopped in Europe en route to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba according to members of the European Parliament visiting Washington, DC.
A special commission has been investigating allegations that the CIA kidnapped and flew al-Qaida terror suspects to secret detention centers.
A report preparer for the commission, Claudio Fava, said in Washington yesterday that State Department legal advisor John Bellinger acknowledged that some of the secret flights could have involved renditions.
"Bellinger didn't deny there were a large number of CIA flights," Fava said. "That is a positive development and a sign of increased cooperation," he added.
The European Parliament commission says it has received "ad hoc information" from Eurocontrol, a private organization that tracks flight information for 36-member states, documenting 1,000 flights of CIA-operated aircraft.
These included a Boeing 737, with registration number N313P, that human rights groups claim was chartered by a CIA front company to carry prisoners from Afghanistan to secret prisons in Egypt, Syria, Uzbekistan and Eastern Europe.
The Boeing 737 was chartered by Premier Executive Transport Services, a private company in Massachusetts that disappeared once it was identified in European newspaper accounts in 2004.
The aircraft made "several flights from Kabul, stopping in Poland, Romania, and Morocco along the way to Guantanamo," Fava said. "We don't think they were making refueling stops."
Upon their arrival in the U.S. on Tuesday, the commission members said they were primarily investigating allegations that prospective EU members, such as Poland and Romania, were involved in helping the CIA interrogate prisoners in "secret prisons."
After the meeting with State Department legal advisor John Bellinger on Thursday, Fava said his investigators were "somewhat uncomfortable with what we've learned," and planned to issue a written report on the trip in Brussels next week.
The European team also had "an extremely useful meeting" with Rep. Ed Markey, D, Mass., who told them he planned to criticize publicly the Bush administration "for the rendition of his constituent, Mr. Arar," Fava said.
Maher Arar, a Canadian engineer born in Syria, was arrested in New York on Sept. 26, 2002, and sent back to Syria, where he claims he was tortured for several months before being released. Bellinger told the commissioners that Arar's expulsion was not a rendition but was a decision taken by a U.S. immigration court.
Members of the European delegation were perplexed when told that Arar was a Canadian citizen, and could not explain why Markey would have called him a "constituent."
Information on the secret flights remains sketchy, Fava said. "There are hundreds of flights for which we have been unable to find the names of the pilot, the crew or the passengers, or even which airport they originated."
Asked by NewsMax whether the team had met with current CIA officers, the president of the investigating commission, Carlos Coelho, would only acknowledge that commission members "have their own contacts with former agents" of several European intelligence agencies. "Just as you won't share your sources, I won't share mine," he said.
He noted that they had requested to meet with CIA Director Porter Goss, but that he had been replaced before they arrived. "At any rate, we never received a reply" from the CIA on the meeting, he added.
During their three-day fact-finding visit, the European Parliament team also met with lawyers from the American Civil Liberties Union, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and Human Rights First.
NewsMax has learned that the commission also met with a U.S. reporter who claimed to be in touch with "active-duty CIA officers" who were providing information on the extraordinary renditions and the secret prisons because they felt the practice was wrong.
The highly-classified CIA program to kidnap and detain al-Qaeda suspects and send them to other countries for interrogation was first revealed by media in Sweden and Britain in May 2004. Most U.S. press accounts claim the story was first broken by Washington Post reporter Dana Priest, who first wrote about the secret prisons last November and was awarded a Pulitzer prize for her reporting.
The commission received "flight logs and a list of 26-28 people that the United States admits it is holding" from Human Rights Watch, sources told NewsMax. "No one knows where those 26-28 people are currently being held," the sources said.
The European commission believes that secret prisons once used in Poland and Romania have been shut down, and is currently investigating a new prison it believes the CIA is using in an unnamed North African country.
"Bellinger didn't deny there were a large number of CIA flights," Fava said."When did you stop beating your wife?"
I am upset about this story...
The information has never been proven true...and yet you have Markey and these leftie groups egging on the EU to investigate this...
What part of unpatriotic dems have we not realized by now???
I am upset that people entrusted with national security would leak information to the press due to political axe-grinding. I am not, however, upset about the concept of kidnapping terror suspects and interrogating them in places where they have fewer restriction on methods of obtaining information.
The ACLU is involved, which means Americans will take our side. Yet another attempt to bring down this administration and to castrate the CIA.
If you have undercover or black operations then you are going to have "secret" flights. You are not going to reveal them, you are going to mask them some way as some other kind of traffic.
If CIA can't even move its chess pieces around the board without its own personnel calling reporters and blabbing it, then they are finished as an intel agency, they are less than useless, and its time to retire these people, give them all a transition package to pay for their return to junior college so they can re-train for another career, because they aren't cut out for this one.
What is the problem with this? Perhaps the Euroweenies would rather make the terrorists swim to Guantanamo?
I'm upset the US Government is cooperating with this euroweenie commission. The whole lot of weenies should be rendered. I mean, what the heck, they should still be investigating their boy Hitler.
The highly-classified CIA program to kidnap captured and detain al-Qaeda suspects and send them to other countries for interrogation
Apparently these reporters don't understand the difference between kidnap and capture.
Great...that is the way I feel....I should have gotten that from your post...
I am sorry if I sounded brusque...I am just so TIRED of this stuff...and I am astounded how many of these stories keep popping up.
Thanks for posting the thread.
Might be long overdue for "W" to pick up Ed for a serious discussion somewhere.
American Civil Liberties Union, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and Human Rights First.These organizations are anti-US and always have been. Yawn,Euro dhimmitude.
Geez....If they have the flight number, then where is the secret?? And is the secret, the plane or who is in the plane. You can bet your booties that if we caught Usama, he'd be put on a "secret" flight to the USA. The better term might be "security flight".
This isn't caused by internal leaks. The intelligence agencies have been caught flat-footed by one of the latest manifestations of the Internet age.
There is an on-line community of plane-spotting 'anoraks', to use the British term, whose obsessive hobby is recording the comings and goings of aircraft at airports around the world. They now have web sites where N numbers can be entered, with time, date and location, and from these it is a trivial task to trace where any particular aircraft has been.
Of course we are not going to stop flying captured terrorists wherever we please, the EU crybabies be damned, but nowadays it may have to be done after dark with un-numbered aircraft.
-ccm
In hoc signo vinces.
-ccm
"NewsMax has learned that the commission also met with a U.S. reporter who claimed to be in touch with "active-duty CIA officers" who were providing information on the extraordinary renditions and the secret prisons because they felt the practice was wrong."
The "active-duty CIA officers" should be brought up on charges ASAP!
So, what the hell is the "Big F*cking Deal" with this??
Hmmm....so is the practice of providing secret information.
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