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To: P-40
You must not be a parent.

One must forgive or go mad from hate.

5 posted on 04/30/2006 10:25:03 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

Correct - the choice is obvious, but some people choose to go made from hate.


13 posted on 04/30/2006 10:28:26 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: Manic_Episode
You're absolutely right. Sometimes forgiveness is not for the other person--it's for you.
14 posted on 04/30/2006 10:28:45 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Manic_Episode
One must forgive or go mad from hate.

You can accept reality and live with it, make your peace with life or what have you without forgiving...but the son is the one who took the ultimate loss, not the father. The murderer has not served his punishment either so why even think of forgiving him?
15 posted on 04/30/2006 10:28:49 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: Manic_Episode

I'm a parent, and I think not.

There is a middle ground between forgiveness and hatred. That is the pursuit of justice.

You have to get on with your life, yes. You may give up the desire for revenge. But that does not mean that you offer your forgiveness to the murderer. Especially if he has not asked for it. If he does, well, Christ commanded us to forgive, so you'd have to make the effort, I guess.

But suppose the murderer intends to kill other men's sons? Only a complete moral leper would consider forgiving him. And a moral leper is what Mr. Berg is.


24 posted on 04/30/2006 10:35:23 AM PDT by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: Manic_Episode
One must forgive or go mad from hate.

I AM a parent, and I can assure you that I would without hesitation prefer the latter.

26 posted on 04/30/2006 10:35:56 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake but accurate, and now double-sourced)
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To: Manic_Episode

Had someone done this to my son I would not have ever been able to recover my sanity. When my kids get sick with the flu I freak out like a little old fretful granny.
The cult of Islam itself is monstrous, of course, and breeds the Attas and Bin Ladens and Zarqawis. Still, I lived abroad, and know many muslims who I count as friends, Sunni, Shite and Druze, and they are not massively screwed up, nor savages. Nor do they want to kill me or trample on who we are.

I feel deeply sad for this man; more, I feel compelled to excuse him his lunacy, and understand entirely his hope that muslims might see reason. There is no such thing as false hope (from Milton to presnt day individuals throw this term around -one may either hope, or have no hope). He is hopeful, and I would not begrudge him that, especially given the horror he's faced.

I have hope. Or perhaps more accurately, I have not lost hope: that we will win, that we will achieve peace, that the middle east will find a non-violent, non hateful way forward.

Sorry for the tender moment.


28 posted on 04/30/2006 10:37:48 AM PDT by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: Manic_Episode
Berg has had to go down dark, complex paths and has had to come to terms with an horrendous loss

Couldn't get past the first page. Berg is disgusting. Sure, he's gone down some dark paths because he encouraged Nick to go over there and sneak around with the thugs. Do you not remember that? He's only forgiving the murder because he can't live with own involvement. If all is forgiven, then he's off the hook as well. But then again, making this a public matter instead of keeping it within himself will gain him some publicity for his congressional run. He's more dispicable than Cindy.

32 posted on 04/30/2006 10:40:09 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Manic_Episode
One must forgive or go mad from hate.

But Berg has not forgiven and he hasn't rejected hate. He's just chosen to blame/hate Bush and America, rather than the animals who sawed off his son's head.

52 posted on 04/30/2006 10:52:38 AM PDT by Mordacious
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To: Manic_Episode

Sorry to disagree with you. But this man hates President Bush and forgives his son's murderer. This is twisted. The man is either a coward or mentally deranged. Remember Berg went to give aid and comfort to the enemy. As far as I'm concerned his father is a traitor too.


54 posted on 04/30/2006 10:54:02 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Manic_Episode
You must not be a parent.

One must forgive or go mad from hate.

With all due respect, you sir, are an idiot.

57 posted on 04/30/2006 10:56:36 AM PDT by null and void (American leftists are more concerned about regaining their power than with the safety of the country)
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To: Manic_Episode
One must forgive or go mad from hate.

I would disagree. There is no possible way I could forgive an unrepentant killer of my child.

I would need to come to grips with "why" or "how" this happened.

Forgiveness would come after justice has prevailed.

58 posted on 04/30/2006 10:57:21 AM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Manic_Episode
You must not be a parent.

One must forgive or go mad from hate.

If you can forgive and then have the will to vilify those who fight this monster, you are mad. Perhaps, after a period of grief, Mr. Berg could reclaim his sanity by serving to rally against those monsters. I think your choice of forgiveness or else madness is an unnecessary limited choice. I say that as a parent.

63 posted on 04/30/2006 10:58:53 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Illegal Aliens will take down the Democrats and Republicans and give rise to a new American party)
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To: Manic_Episode
One must forgive or go mad from hate.

Berg is mad. Where is the foregiveness for George Bush? Berg blames Bush not Zarqawi. Berg hates Bush not Zarqawi. All this talk from Berg about Zarqawi is BS.

127 posted on 04/30/2006 2:24:31 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Manic_Episode
So many people have mangled the Christian concept of forgiveness until it's become unrecognizable.

Christ commanded that His followers forgive once forgiveness was asked and true repentance was shown. This monster who murdered this guys son has done neither.

I am a parent, and I would not forgive anyone who didn't truly ask for it, and then change their ways.

As far as going 'mad', I'm quite capable of killing someone without anger. In fact, anger screw up your thought process making one prone to mistakes.

Forgiveness isn't some trinket you hand out like candy to children. It's a serious matter and this fool debases it with his actions.

L

129 posted on 04/30/2006 2:28:24 PM PDT by Lurker (Anyone who doesn't demand an immediate end to illegal immigration is aiding the flesh trade.)
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To: Manic_Episode; DennisR; Uncle Vlad
You should read Numbers 15:29-31 and 2 Peter 2:10.

Those who despise government according to Moses and Peter are guilty of the sin of presumption. Presumption means taking for oneself authority and power for which one has no warrant or right. Whenever we set aside God's laws concerning life and death, we are guilty of presumption. Presumption is the mark of an unbeliever. It means we have placed ourselves in the place of God and that life and death are on our terms only.

148 posted on 04/30/2006 8:29:11 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Manic_Episode

Oh bully.

I have 4 and soon to have five children.

He's forgiving cause he's too weak to hold in that rage and pain and work to help get satisfaction somehow.

You take hard pain like that and you put somewhere safe but pull it out and get the energy you need from it when you need it.

Folks been through serious trauma will know what I mean.

When my dad was dying hard someone told me that yes, you'll get over it but you'll never remember them as closely as you do now when the pain of loss is fresh. You'll miss feeling it this much....and they were right

Forgive someone who cuts my child's head off with a Buck knife?

No way.


168 posted on 04/30/2006 10:31:20 PM PDT by wardaddy (MALDEF and LULAC have infested this forum....as if RINOS weren't bad enough)
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