Posted on 04/27/2006 3:30:52 PM PDT by DBeers
COLORADO SPRINGS, Co., April 26 /Christian Wire Service/ -- A third of homosexuals’ children become homosexual. That’s the major finding from the largest study of adult children of homosexuals. Children of transsexuals were also more apt to become homosexual or transsexual. At least 23 (30%) of 77 adult children of homosexuals were homosexual and 25 (32%) heterosexual. Of 10 adults with transsexual parents, at least one became transsexual and another homosexual.
“Our society has been told by gays and professional associations that children were not more apt to become homosexual if their parents were. We’ve been told that genital mutilations by parents who pretend to be the opposite sex wouldn’t have any effect on their children,” said investigator Paul Cameron. “Too much bogus information about homosexual parents has been sold to the public. Most people think homosexual parents create an environment that stimulates homosexual desires in their children. We expect children to be confused when a father decides to pretend he’s a woman and demand that his family participate in his charade. The American Psychological Association and National Association of Social Workers have told court after court that common sense is wrong. They say foster care and adoption by homosexuals is absolutely harmless -- there is no correlation between children adopting homosexual tastes and the sexual proclivities of their parents. Examination of three published reports by pro-gay investigators shows the falsity of these claims. These professional associations seem more interested in pushing for social acceptance of homosexuality than what’s good for children.”
Almost all other estimates have been based on small samples of children and teens, not adults. At least 12 (55%) of 22 daughters and 3 (21%) of 14 sons of lesbians; 5 (29%) of 17 daughters and 3 (17%) of 18 sons of gays were currently homosexual. At least 25 (32%) were currently heterosexual.
Dr. Cameron is chairman of the Family Research Institute, a Colorado Springs, CO think-tank. The study is published on-line in the Journal of Biosocial Science 2006;38:413-418, sponsored by Cambridge University Press.
It should be alright for drugheads to give their kids drugs also. This is not about protecting children it is about the homosexual movement and teaching a generation of children to be degenerates. If a person cannot control their sexual desires it should be a defense to rape!
They had to do a study on this? Talk about the "duh" factor. Jeesh.
And this is why we MUST stop homosexuals from adopting children.
This is probably correct but the sampling is too small to be of any use in any real argumentation.
Nature? Or nurture?
Which came first - the chicken, or the egg?
Which is it - either? Or both?
Does the cause matter? Or is it the result?
I have noted that anything posted on FR that is associated with Dr. Paul Cameron always seems to be like a leftist troll lightning rod?
Hmmm... I can hope that will not be the case this time.
They aren't born that way. They are made that way.
Yes -children do model and imprint on behaviors e.g. alcohol abuse, cigarette smoking...
This is really heartbreaking, but certainly not shocking. The argument now will be that it shouldn't matter.
There are a surprising number of homosexuals on my mother's side of the family, and it's more than what one would statistically expect.
I have a butch lesbian cousin who is a major figure in the Philadelphia lesbian community. (My late mother had a cow when she came out of the closet.)
I have a closeted lesbian cousin who is waiting for her elderly parents to die before she comes out.
I have a cousin, two of whose four adult children are gay. The female is still closeted, but the male is in a long-time relationship with his drug dealer.
I have a male cousin who is a flamboyantly gay dress designer in New York.
When my uncle said at Christmas dinner that we had a history of homosexuality in the family, he didn't know the half of it.
(I was hetero the last time I checked.)
There are at least four key questions that are unclear in the above summary, that you'd need to answer to know if there is any merit.
1) How were the study subjects selected? In other words, is the sample representative or would it tend to over-represent the homosexual children of homosexual parents?
2) Similarly, was this the primary objective of the study, or is someone extrapolating the alleged results from a tangential study, or is someone conducting a meta-study?
3) Were both parents homosexual (i.e., two lesbians or two gay men) or just one parent? If just one, was the homosexual parent actually out to the child, or did the child find out in adolescence or adulthood? Was it a mixed sampling (i.e., some respondents had a pair of homosexual parents and others had just one)?
4) There are transexual parents mixed into the small sampling, and you rarely, if ever, have two transexuals in a relationship. So, what was the other parent, and also when did the transexual parent change sex (i.e., was it before or after childbirth, perhaps even after the children were grown)?
So, there are really serious problems with evaluating this study from what's reported above, and even from that little it strikes me as a probably misconceived study. Not that this will stop some people from taking it as valid..
Well, I guess that's a lot more than 4 questions, but I suppose I meant there are a number of questions in 4 general categories that you'd need to answer before you can evaluate the merit of this report.
I don't remember reading about homosexual adoption in the Bible. Then again, you may not be a Jew/Christian and you could be refering to another text. Please cite your source.
I'm going to call my Mom and thank her for:
a. not aborting me
b. being straight as an arrow
:)
You get alot of that when dealing with the left.
Do ya think? Nah..... I don't believe it .... LOL ...
Are you saying that you also have homosexual desires but that you control them? I admire your will power.
Do the sexual inclinations of parents influence those of their children? Of 77 adult children of homosexual parents who volunteered for three different investigations, at least 23 (30%) were currently homosexual: twelve (55%) of 22 daughters and three (21%) of fourteen sons of lesbians; five (29%) of seventeen daughters and three (17%) of eighteen sons of gays; none of six sons with both a gay and a lesbian parent. At least 25 (32%) were currently heterosexual. Of the ten with transsexual parents, one of nine daughters was currently lesbian, one was currently heterosexual, and one was transsexual. The son’s sexual preference was not reported. These findings suggest that parents’ sexual inclinations influence their children’s.
So, it seems clearly a meta-study of three separate studies presumably looking at other issues, and then therefore this was almost certainly not a representative sampling for the stated purpose at hand.
And, as a separate issue, this meta-study was submitted by Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute - so there may be methodological objectivity questions as well.
YOu got that right -- we need these kind of data, but the data need to be above reproach.
YUP!
Considering the homosexual social experiment is something only recently evidenced; the fact that there are inherently small populations comprising objectively measurable and observable homosexual related 'things' e.g. marriage, adoption, raising children; AND that no long term study is possible UNTIL a long term of time has elapsed; -- One reasonably has to question the seemingly impossible legitimacy all the studies and research coming from the left that paint a rosy picture for all things homosexual.
YET -a majority of court decisions overturning common law, convention, and enacted law are handed down citing the studies and research coming from the left as basis. Very odd that homosexuality is favored -it seems far from random when statistically insignificant pro-homosexual studies and research is primarily favored?
It is as if there was an agenda... LOL
And society has done the job well with activist manipulation the past 40 yrs.
Overhauling of Straight America
http://www.parentsrightsusa.com/Overhauling%20of%20Straight%20America.htm
I know priest who told kids they were made that way, accept it, it's who you are....now if that didn't push them to succumb. We need to educate them how to overcome those unwanted same sex feelings.
Identical twin studies are the only way to differentiate between nature and nurture.
With all due respect, you have a f*cked up family.
Maybe he was referring to this:
And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
-Mark 9:42 (KJV)
"This is probably correct but the sampling is too small to be of any use in any real argumentation."
I disagree - the results seem to be very statistically significant given the wide variation from the control.
It would be very difficut to assign these results to random error.
LOL!
And there's yet another problem, which is that if there's a genetic component to sexual orientation then you would actually expect to see a higher incidence of homosexuality among the children of homosexuals. However, if there's no genetic component, but entirely socialization, then you would still expect to see a higher incidence of homosexuality among the children of homosexuals, at least if the homosexuals were 'out' and if parenting styles is part of what internalizes the sexual orientation of children under a social construction rubric.
So, just about whatever your view on the origins of homosexuality, you would expect to find a higher incidence of homosexuals among the children of homosexuals. You would have to construct a study to specifically isolate one factor, and that'd be immensely difficult even with a dedicated study, much less with a meta-study which would be impossible.
See AntiGuvs post #13 above for more things to think about.
77 is a very small sampling and there are methodology (and agenda) issues.
I would like to see this same study done on a broader scale -- but who would have the stones and money to do so?
The causation hypotheses (that I can think of) where you would not expect to see a higher incidence of homosexuality among the children of homosexuals are, in no particular order:
1) Social construction where parenting styles are totally irrelevant to the development of sexuality.
2) An epigenetic causation, such as hormone exposure in the womb, where the epigenetic factor was completely independent of parent sexual orientation.
3) Some kind of genetic causation where genotypes are inherited and expressed in such a way that the genotype of the parent generation has no influence whatsoever on the genotype of the descendent generation. (I'm not even sure this is possible.)
But, under most pure "nature" or pure "nurture" causation scenarios you would expect to find a higher incidence of homosexuality among the children of homosexuals. The same goes for just about any "mixed" causation scenario.
"77 is a very small sampling and there are methodology (and agenda) issues. "
What are the methodology issue you allude to? It says that the respondents were volunteers and given that the control population would have predicted 7%, the 23% result is very statistically significant.
Its not like the Truman-Dewey survey that was done only to people that owned phones. I can't imagine why volunteers of homo parents would be predisposed to being non-hetero.
YUP!
Attempting to scientifically prove either side of any argument is inherently impossible when there is NOTHING yet objectively measurable that identifies a "homosexual"
Which again begets the question -what is all the study and research from the left that claims all things homosexual are "okay" based on?
Feel free to address the elephant in the living room that many do not acknowledge exists...
a big "duh" factor here...
kids raised by single parents more likely to be single parents
kids raised by drug addicts are more likely to be drug addicts
kids raised by abusive parents are more liked to be abusive
kids raised by an adulterous parent are more likely to commit adultery
kids raised by parents who lie are more likely to be liars
and on and on it goes...
You have virtually hit the nail on the head, IMHO. With men especially, scientists haven't even identified a neural structure or process that produces heterosexuality, much less what produces homosexuality. What I mean is, there is no identified neural component expressly associated with a differentiated sex drive, either heterosexual or homosexual.
PS. With females there are some tentative neurostructural associations, but the science is nowhere near definitive yet.
100% of "children of homosexuals" were conceived through heterosexual relations.
All "children of homosexuals" are either:
1) children of other people claimed (adopted) by homosexuals
2) the result of a heterosexual relationship before the homosexual "discovered" the orientation he/she was "born" with.
Isn't the title wrong? I think the real title (at least in the MSM) would finish with . . . Not That There's Anything Wrong With That!
Monkey see, monkey do, if you'll pardon the expression! Of course they're more apt.....that's what they are EXPOSED to!
Dah!!!!
Which is why they want to be able to adopt it is their way of propagating.
I agree the results are statistically significant and that they warrant a larger study.
Family Research Coucil is not the bogeyman that many in the press paint them to be. They do good work.
This "study" is junk science
Identifies a homosexual? It's the act itself that defines the homosexual. If a man has sex with men, then he is one.
Homosexuality is a dangerous sex addiction.
It's hard to make my point without being offensive, but here goes ....
Have you noticed how many lesbians have a mannish appearance? I don't mean boyish hairstyles, but the shape and structure of faces? I don't mean to offend, but the appearances of some lesbians leads me to believe there's a genetic component to the why homosexuals are that way. These lesbians may have received doses of male hormones in utero, perhaps.
I guess the whole point is we just don't know about whether nature, nurture, or some combination causes homosexuality.
I would much rather see a study done by a slightly more independent organization.
I know... LOL
Among other things, my background is Statistical Methods heavy -mainly design experimintation and business process improvement.
Rule one as to objective accuracy -that which you seek to monitor, improve, and or correlate to must be objectively an identifiable and measurable item...
"Study Shows Water is Wet, Hippies Smell Bad."
I would also like to know which if any of the homosexual parents contributed to the genetic make-up of the child? Which of the lesbians, if any, are the natural mother of the child and which of the male-mo's donated sperm for the child? And if there was a third person involved who donated their genes, is that person gay or straight? In addition, if the child is adopted, what is the sexual orientation of the natural parents? And at what age did the adoption take place? Was the "child" already gay at the time of the adoption?
It should be obvious by now that ALL such studies even if one assumes "organizational independence" are at best premised in subjective declaration and assumption with nothing objectively measurable to correlate to or independently repeat and or confirm e.g. a "homosexuality test". Good science stands alone...
As such, "homosexual" study and research being put forth is not actually science and as such always questionable...
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