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Branchless Evolution: Fossils point to single hominid root
ScienceNews ^ | 4/15/2006 | B. Bower

Posted on 04/19/2006 11:19:40 AM PDT by furball4paws

More from that Ethiopian fossil find that sends hominid roots back more than 4 million years.


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KEYWORDS: crevo; crevolist; evolution; graspingatstraws; hominids; teeth
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1 posted on 04/19/2006 11:19:43 AM PDT by furball4paws
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To: PatrickHenry

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2 posted on 04/19/2006 11:20:21 AM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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3 posted on 04/19/2006 11:24:21 AM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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4 posted on 04/19/2006 11:26:46 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: furball4paws
To prove that Au. anamensis branched from an earlier, as-yet-unknown population would require evidence that the Australopithecus species lived at the same time as Ar. ramidus, the Berkeley scientist notes. No such evidence exists.

That's a rather large leap of logic.

5 posted on 04/19/2006 11:52:21 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


6 posted on 04/19/2006 11:56:15 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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"That's a rather large leap of logic."

It's clearly their working hypothesis and it is based on the little information they have. Why is it a leap of logic?


7 posted on 04/19/2006 11:57:09 AM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: furball4paws

Damn that evidence, it just keeps on coming


8 posted on 04/19/2006 12:02:24 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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"There may have been times when one early hominid species evolved into another one without branching off into multiple species," White says.

I'm not sure how anyone could substantiate that without having perfect knowledge of the record.

"Since Ar. ramidus and Au. anamensis lived in the same place and negotiated comparable habitats, it's plausible that the earlier hominid evolved directly into the later one,"
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"Australopithecus evolved increasingly larger jaws and teeth from one species to the next with minimal or no evolutionary branching, Walker proposes."

I'm not sure what he's arguing here. Maybe I'm missing the point (or something) ...
So A. anamensis branches from Ar. ramidus. Then anamensis survives and ramidus goes extinct.
-- or --
A. anamensis derived from Ar. ramidus. The branch anamensis becomes the trunk. No more ramidus?

I don't see what is different from the current understanding.

Or is he arguing that no ramidus were left because they all mutated to anamensis?

9 posted on 04/19/2006 12:06:01 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A dying theory since 1859.)
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placemarker ping


10 posted on 04/19/2006 12:24:48 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: furball4paws
It's clearly their working hypothesis and it is based on the little information they have. Why is it a leap of logic?

They are basing their hypothesis on lack of disproving evidence. The hypothesis is falsifiable, but the given the scant supporting evidence, I don't think I would be so confident.

11 posted on 04/19/2006 12:38:37 PM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: furball4paws
A half dozen broken teeth. It couldn't be any clearer than that, could it?

/ sarcasm

Let's check with Dr. Piltdown, of the University of Sussex, for his opinion.

12 posted on 04/19/2006 12:43:18 PM PDT by JCEccles
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Who says they are confident? As soon as a piece of evidence comes along that their thoughts are not quite right - BAM they toss it out. Such is the life of a scientist.


13 posted on 04/19/2006 12:45:10 PM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: furball4paws
Why is it a leap of logic?

Because it's based on the little information they have.

14 posted on 04/19/2006 12:46:31 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: dread78645

Well the current "understanding" has some dashed lines. Perhaps they are simply saying some slight revision is in order, as is usually the case when new info is found. This is not Earth shattering stuff, just another nail in the Creo coffin, which by now is almost all nails.


15 posted on 04/19/2006 12:48:15 PM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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You want them to base their hypotheses on no information?


16 posted on 04/19/2006 12:49:06 PM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: furball4paws
Who says they are confident? As soon as a piece of evidence comes along that their thoughts are not quite right - BAM they toss it out. Such is the life of a scientist.

I wouldn't be writing about my findings if I weren't confident that I were correct. But that's probably just me.

17 posted on 04/19/2006 12:54:10 PM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: furball4paws

I think those teeth are from the Designer's dentures. This is the long-awaited proof of ID. Teach the controversy!


18 posted on 04/19/2006 12:56:43 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: The_Victor
"I wouldn't be writing about my findings if I weren't confident that I were correct. But that's probably just me."

Yep, it is just you. A few of the most noble purposes of scientific publishing are to invite debate, reveal evidence found and provoke commentary on the working hypotheses. Unless otherwise stated, few scientists will claim to have the last, correct word on any subject.

19 posted on 04/19/2006 1:18:46 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: furball4paws

Doesn't look like any of my relatives....


20 posted on 04/19/2006 1:33:06 PM PDT by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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