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Islam as the Agent of Revolutionary Change
Chronicles Magazine ^ | April 7, 2006 | Srdja Trifkovic

Posted on 04/10/2006 3:50:09 AM PDT by A. Pole

The following is from an interview with Srdja Trifkovic broadcast on April 7, 2006, on The Right Balance (abbreviated transcript)

The show’s presenter Greg Allen first asked Dr. Trifkovic to draw a distinction between Islamic terrorism and other varieties of the same problem: What makes Jihadist terrorism different?


TRIFKOVIC: All other forms of terrorism use it as an instrument in pursuit of some wider objective. The Bolsheviks were blowing up banks in 1905 and assassinating political leaders, and their purpose was to undermine the structure of the system so that when the revolutionary moment comes, as it did in 1917, you go a stage further. With ETA in Spain, the IRA, Sendero Luminoso, Tamil Tigers, or the Sighs in India, you have terrorist outrages but they are not an integral part of the mindset, the world outlook of the given group. With Islam, terrorism is not only an instrument, a tool, it is also the core of policy itself. Terrorist violence is not only divinely sanctioned, it is divinely ordained. We don’t have time for the details, but suffice to say that the condoning and overt advocacy of violence both in the primary texts of Islam, such as the Kuran and the Hadith, the traditions and sayings of the “prophet,” and in more than 13 centuries of Islam’s historic practice, make that record pretty straightforward. For people to still debate the allegedly peaceful nature of Islam, its “true character,” is plainly absurd. The truth is out there and those who want to deny it are the same ones who, 50 years ago, would have been the apologists for Uncle Joe, or 30 years ago would have claimed that the bold experiment of Chairman Mao was paving the way for the future . . .



The mindset of appeasement, even after Munich 1938, is at work. It’s not only that those who had claimed that Mein Kampf was a pacifist tract, or that Uncle Joe’s Moscow trials were an exercise in impeccable legality, are now acting as the apologists for Islam. They are actively importing the jihadist fifth column! It is the particular emphasis of my book that we need an absolute moratorium on the immigration of Muslims into both Western Europe and North America, coupled with the denial of citizenship to all practicing Muslims, the denial of security clearances, and the policy of systematic deportation of all jihadists activists. Once we realize that jihad is a political mindset and that jihadist activities—which are inherently discriminatory against women, against Jews, against so-called infidels—are a political, subversive and radically seditious activity with a revolutionary objective, i.e. turning the World of War into the World of Faith, Dar al-Harb into Dar al-Islam, then we’ll realize that the First Amendment no longer applies. To all intents and purposes Islam ought to be regarded as a violent political ideology rather than just a religious cult.

The next question concerned the curious tendency of the Left to overlook, ignore, or even deny Islam’s mistreatment of women, homosexuals, and other protected minorities:

The explanation is fairly simple, and we see the same syndrome all over the place. For instance in Scandinavia you have literally a rape epidemic, perpetrated by Muslim immigrants against Swedish, Norwegian and Danish women. And yet, very active, very well organized and financed feminist movements in those countries are keeping quiet—both about the epidemic itself, and about the identity of its perpetrators.

The reason is that the Left sees Islam as a de facto ally—as Marxists would say, an “objective ally”—in the destruction of the vestiges of the traditional society based upon Christianity and its moral code, and traditional cultural patterns. So what they are doing is using Islam as the battering ram and as a would-be fellow-traveler, in their grand anti-Christian, Christophobic design. They hope that once they create their brave, new multiculturalist Utopia, Islam can be tamed, that soft porn and state education will convert the Muslims’ offspring to the general multiculturalist melange.

We know they’re wrong because we know that second and third-generation Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, particularly in France and Britain, are far more radical and far more Islamic-minded than their parents and grandparents. The explanation is very simple: the tepid, non-descript multiculturalist pap that is being offered by the dominant elites cannot inspire these young men and women. They need something that gives meaning to their lives, and so they fall back upon the religion of their forefathers—and once they do that, they cannot do otherwise but turn against the multiculturalist host-society. So the Leftists are making a colossal miscalculation. Far from being the clients of their future global welfare state, the Muslims—in the Western world in particular—will be the agents of revolutionary change not only against the remnants of Christianity today, but also against the secularist, multicultural Utopia of tomorrow.

Greg Allen’s next question concerned the difference between Islam’s basic tenets and the teaching of other monotheistic religions, Judaism and Christianity: do we all worship the same God, as some claim?

One of the clichés that are endlessly repeated by those who seek to conceal the true nature of Islam is that Muslims “believe in the same God” as Christians and Jews. This is a severe distortion of the truth. What Muslims believe is that they know the true nature of God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about, and have a distorted picture. The fact that Muslims share a Levantine monotheism of sorts with Judaism and Christianity only makes them more, not less antagonistic to us… The concept of an utterly transcendent Allah that cannot be “known” and doesn’t “reach out” to man or man to him. There is no “contact” with God that is essential to the Judaic and Christian tradition. In fact, the forlorn call, repeated five times a day from every minaret in the world, sounds more like the cry of an abandoned child for an absentee father.

At the practical level, the notion that Muslims award Christians and Jews some level of respect as “the people of the book” is also greatly distorted. In practice it only means that for as long as they accept the status of second-class citizens, and pay the poll tax with “the hand of humility,” their security will be guaranteed—but not their equality of rights.

At the theological level, the fundamental difference is the absence of love. It needs to be understood that Islam’s denial of the Trinity creates a completely different world outlook. “Allah begets not,” i.e. he is no Father, and “is not begotten,” i.e. he is no Son, and no one is like him, i.e. no Holy Spirit. The utterly . . . not only “monotheistic” but monistic image of the world under an unreachable, unknowable god, creates the kind of spiritual uniformity that ultimately results in both cultural and social-economic wasteland that is the Muslim world today.
[ . . . ]

What is known as Islam’s “golden age” happened largely in spite of Islam, rather than thanks to it. Connecting the brief blossoming of arts and sciences in Baghdad and Cordoba with the “benevolent” influence of Islam is the same as saying that the high level of scholarship on Pushkin or Tolstoy in Moscow in the 1950s was the result of Stalinism and dialectical materialism, or that the Berlin Philharmonic under Furtwaengler was as good as it was in the late 1930s thanks to Nazism. But the true causes of squalor and corruption in the Muslim world are indeed moral and cultural, rather than economic. After that brief period of flowering its had very little to offer to the world, either in the sphere of ideas or in the sphere of material production—even though it had that unique geographic position at the crossroads of civilizations . . . The problem cannot be resolved by seeking to import Western technology and Western know-how, while retaining the old mindset. We’ve already seen it with the Ottoman Turkey in the 19th century. They’d brought in Western engineers and military officers, and doctors, to train their Muslim students, but the latter never managed to produce more than what was imparted to them.

The problem remains insoluble to this day. The Christian world’s discipline, cohesion, ingenuity and prosperity are rooted in certain aspects of the Western psyche that cannot be easily transplanted. It has a lot to do with the notion of delayed gratification as opposed to instant gratification and sensuality that is the hallmark of the Muslim world.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: christian; christianity; church; god; islam; muslim; west
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1 posted on 04/10/2006 3:50:13 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole

Yeah - change from alive to dead.


2 posted on 04/10/2006 3:54:46 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: A. Pole
The left considers anything bad for America to be good for their agenda.

Islam is the plague epidemic of our time.

3 posted on 04/10/2006 4:33:11 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICA WOULD NOT BE THE LAND OF THE FREE IF IT WERE NOT ALSO THE HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: A. Pole
They hope that... Islam can be tamed... that soft porn and state education will convert the Muslims’ offspring to the general multiculturalist melange.

[In this] the Leftists are making a colossal miscalculation.

I don't think this is the case. I think the Left is in "Howl" mode, a la Allen Ginsberg. Having lost their god when the Soviet Union collapsed, they are striking out against all of humanity, starting with humanities best achievement and principle hope, the West. They desire suicide for themselves and every other human being on the earth. Like Hitler in his final days, they have decided that mankind is not worthy of their vision for its destiny, and so mankind is not worthy of the privilege of continued existence. This is the final resolution of their fantasy of Man-as-god. Their last stand.

(steely)

4 posted on 04/10/2006 4:47:46 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: A. Pole

Leftists are making a colossal miscalculation. Far from being the clients of their future global welfare state, the Muslims—in the Western world in particular—will be the agents of revolutionary change not only against the remnants of Christianity today, but also against the secularist, multicultural Utopia of tomorrow.

I am not sure I agree with him on this point--I think the Left knows exactly what it is doing. Part of the reason Islam is so appealing to the Left is that the Mullahs have close to absolute control over their adherents. The Left must salivate at the thought of having that level of control over the populace. After all, if you can convince someone to be a suicide bomber, convincing them to pay higher taxes should be a piece of cake. If they can find a way to combine Islam with Communism (not a far trip IMHO) they've got it made.


5 posted on 04/10/2006 4:48:55 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: A. Pole
an utterly transcendent Allah that cannot be “known” and doesn’t “reach out” to man or man to him.

So...it's all upon the filthy rantings of the filthy, illiterate, pedophile prophet?

No thanks.

6 posted on 04/10/2006 5:04:24 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: A. Pole; drstevej; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; jboot; ...

"The reason is that the Left sees Islam as a de facto ally—as Marxists would say, an “objective ally”—in the destruction of the vestiges of the traditional society based upon Christianity and its moral code, and traditional cultural patterns. So what they are doing is using Islam as the battering ram and as a would-be fellow-traveler, in their grand anti-Christian, Christophobic design. They hope that once they create their brave, new multiculturalist Utopia, Islam can be tamed, that soft porn and state education will convert the Muslims’ offspring to the general multiculturalist melange. "

"At the theological level, the fundamental difference is the absence of love. It needs to be understood that Islam’s denial of the Trinity creates a completely different world outlook. “Allah begets not,” i.e. he is no Father, and “is not begotten,” i.e. he is no Son, and no one is like him, i.e. no Holy Spirit. The utterly . . . not only “monotheistic” but monistic image of the world under an unreachable, unknowable god, creates the kind of spiritual uniformity that ultimately results in both cultural and social-economic wasteland that is the Muslim world today."

THE ATTACHED ARTICLE ABOUT SAYS IT ALL.THE LIBERAL SO CALLED CHRISTIAN EMBRACEMENT OF LEFT LEANING THEOLOGICAL AND POLITICAL IDEAOLOGY IS A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES WHICH ECUSA,PCUSA,CHURCH OF CHRIST,LDS,UNITARIAN,UNIVERSALIST AND ON AND ON SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN CHURCHES BELONG TOO ARE PART AND PARCEL TO THIS.

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I STRONGLY ADVISE DISCERNMENT IN EMBRACEING ALL WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIAN AS BRETHREN.

GODSPEED!

p.s. sorry for any double pings


7 posted on 04/10/2006 5:07:35 AM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: A. Pole
We know they’re wrong because we know that second and third-generation Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, particularly in France and Britain, are far more radical and far more Islamic-minded than their parents and grandparents. The explanation is very simple: the tepid, non-descript multiculturalist pap that is being offered by the dominant elites cannot inspire....

Wrong. The second and third generations ARE INSPIRED! Their parents were the scouts. The parents/first generations was to establish forward bases, ie families and ghettos and produce soldiers for Islam. These scouts were not to cause trouble, to lay low. The next generation is to actively seek out allies in the culture and to begin to undermine and test the society for weakness. This is what they have done in align with the left (future dhimmis, who will be needed to run mechanical services) This is a well worn and successfully. Since it is succeeding as it historically has, hence the high moral for the soldiers. The next phase will be continues infiltration, soldier production, changing scout positions into fortified bases, ie towns/cities, establishing sharia law where rest, training, instruction and soldier production can continue. In a phrase, Onward Muslim Soldiers!

8 posted on 04/10/2006 5:20:23 AM PDT by Leisler (Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim.)
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To: Steely Tom
They desire suicide for themselves and every other human being on the earth.

I'd say the lust for power/control of their utopian dream is the nearer goal. Couple that with a thinly-veiled contempt for the ignorant Mohammedans, viewed as useful idiots in the struggle, and the left salivates at the possibilities.

Since failure is inevitable, they will have their suicide soon enough, courtesy of the equally despairing followers of a feckless god.

9 posted on 04/10/2006 5:20:58 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: A. Pole
...we need an absolute moratorium on the immigration of Muslims into both Western Europe and North America, coupled with the denial of citizenship to all practicing Muslims, the denial of security clearances, and the policy of systematic deportation of all jihadists activists.

Absolute incompatibility with the American way of life. Kick them out -- all of them! This guy "gets it"!

Zero muslims in America -- the only real answer...

10 posted on 04/10/2006 5:22:31 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Shaitan's most successful disguise)
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To: A. Pole
The reason is that the Left sees Islam as a de facto ally—as Marxists would say, an “objective ally”—

Daniel Pipes pointed this out this morning on F&F.

11 posted on 04/10/2006 5:23:53 AM PDT by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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To: A. Pole

interesting. bump


12 posted on 04/10/2006 5:39:07 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Much discernment and wisdom needed, indeed! Thanks for the ping.


13 posted on 04/10/2006 7:11:33 AM PDT by Jen
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To: alpha-8-25-02
I STRONGLY ADVISE DISCERNMENT IN EMBRACEING ALL WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIAN AS BRETHREN.

Good advice.

14 posted on 04/10/2006 7:13:31 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Censure Feingold!!)
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To: Peach
the Left sees Islam as a de facto ally—as Marxists would say, an “objective ally”—in the destruction of the vestiges of the traditional society based upon Christianity and its moral code, and traditional cultural patterns. So what they are doing is using Islam as the battering ram and as a would-be fellow-traveler, in their grand anti-Christian, Christophobic design. They hope that once they create their brave, new multiculturalist Utopia, Islam can be tamed, that soft porn and state education will convert the Muslims’ offspring to the general multiculturalist melange.

ping

15 posted on 04/10/2006 7:15:46 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Censure Feingold!!)
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To: A. Pole
To all intents and purposes Islam ought to be regarded as a violent political ideology rather than just a religious cult.

I would add that both their political and religious ideologies are fascist in nature. They are taught by their Mullahs that it is their relgioius obligation to impose their theocracy on the world. In short, they are poison.

16 posted on 04/10/2006 7:19:11 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: prairiebreeze

That is an astounding statement. And I'm starting to think it is a correct assessment of the left's unwillingness to fight the WOT.

And this:

For instance in Scandinavia you have literally a rape epidemic, perpetrated by Muslim immigrants against Swedish, Norwegian and Danish women. And yet, very active, very well organized and financed feminist movements in those countries are keeping quiet—both about the epidemic itself, and about the identity of its perpetrators.


17 posted on 04/10/2006 7:50:00 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Indeed. The left is all about power. Anything that assists them winning and keeping power. Principles mean nothing to them, in fact, they get in their way.

Hence, the hypocritical silence of a leftist womens issue organization over the rape epidemic.


18 posted on 04/10/2006 7:55:11 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Censure Feingold!!)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Thanks for the post. I totally agree with the ridiculous nature of beliefs put forth by Islam. It is further agreed that the radical left/and some righty's(in a twisted way) cling to that nirvana ideology, which is really a form of communism, that we can all be friends if we see things their way. And the ACLU with their communist agenda, is right in their rootin' for the craziness. Yes, it is ONLY if we see it their way. Which is NOT a form of friendship at all. Just a twist on, MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY...


19 posted on 04/10/2006 10:19:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: alpha-8-25-02
Amen, Alpha.

"A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight." -- Proverbs 11:1

20 posted on 04/10/2006 11:24:40 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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