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Suffering and Depression as Means for Growth (psychology vs faith)
Zenit News Agency ^ | April 6, 2006

Posted on 04/06/2006 6:47:19 PM PDT by NYer

Interview With Psychologist Ann Howe

ATLANTA, Georgia, APRIL 6, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Many risk factors for depression can also be valuable assets for personal and communal spiritual growth, says a Catholic psychologist.

Dr. Ann Howe, a psychologist for 25 years, is the director of the Archdiocese of Atlanta counseling center Village of St. Joseph Counseling Services.

She shared her experiences with ZENIT on the significance of suffering and depression in a person's psychological and spiritual flourishing.

Q: What is the general attitude of psychology toward the problem of suffering?

Howe: First of all, psychology would traditionally have avoided a word such as "suffering."

Psychology has striven to present itself as a science and has distanced itself from the humanities. Therefore, the language used by psychologists shies away from words such as suffering which are evocative and instead uses language which is precise and measurable.

Suffering can't be measured except through the lens of the person's experience, and suffering can't be understood except through the eyes of faith.

All that being said, let's assume that psychologists could agree about what constitutes suffering. Let's say they agree that suffering, for example, is measurable through self-report as "life distress" or some such euphemism. Then, psychology's position would more than likely be that suffering is bad in an absolute sense and should be eliminated whenever possible.

Some psychologists might take a more nuanced approach; for example, when they could easily find positive consequences. Take homework: We know most children don't like homework, and "suffer" with it, but we all understand that some pain in this area can lead to positive results, namely, increased knowledge.

Psychologists would then wonder about how to motivate someone to sustain performance during a time of "suffering." Here, suffering is seen as a means to an end.

But once again, suffering in and of itself would never be regarded as having any positive benefits.

Q: How does a Catholic perspective on psychology change the understanding of human suffering?

Howe: The Catholic position is quite different. When the supernatural reality of who man is in relation to God is understood, suffering has to be seen in a supernatural dimension.

As Catholics we understand that suffering can have many "positive" functions. It is not only an opportunity to correct parts of our character which need to be strengthened or put on a proper path, but it can also be used to expiate sins, both personal and communal.

When we recognize the person as a son or daughter of God, and acknowledge that God sent his only Son into human history for the redemption of souls, we come to appreciate that suffering allows us to be linked to Christ in the continuing work of bringing souls to the Father through the action of the Holy Spirit.

As a psychologist working with clients, I seek to help alleviate unnecessary suffering, or that which the individual has inflicted upon himself or herself through bad choices. Many times difficult life circumstances can cause a person to choose despair, to turn away from God.

Whatever the source of the suffering, however, God is the answer. The psychologist mainly acts to support the client in their journey and also remove the impediments to the person's growth toward happiness.

As a Catholic, I believe that happiness can only be found ultimately by resting in God's love and obeying his commandments.

Q: What is the relationship between suffering and depression?

Howe: Depression is the result of life's seemingly impossible problems.

Every person faces challenges both external and internal. When there is a problem that can't be fixed, the person, depending on their temperament and the importance of the situation, will try to keep solving the problem till things improve.

Depression is the result of a problem that can't be fixed. These problems can be something external and beyond our control, like a physical illness or natural disaster, or something buried deep inside our emotions like an old hurt or loss.

Depression, in other words, is never meaningless. It has a context in which it develops and has real consequences for the quality of the person's life, especially their relationships.

When a person finds his or her way through depression, it can also result in personal transformation and a deeper appreciation for life.

Q: What are the benefits of suffering from a psychological perspective?

Howe: Like all suffering, we can magnify our own distress by resisting and pulling away from God.

It is often hard for the person to see that God's love is being shared with them through the action of others, like family, friends, and therapist. Good comes out of the person's suffering, by encouraging a cleansing of old bad habits and the renewal of deeper bonds with others.

Depression and other forms of psychological pain make receiving and giving love difficult, but God's love is always present and surrounding that individual.

Good also can come from suffering because the person is forced to confront their helplessness in bringing about their own happiness. They often discover for the first time that they truly are dependent in all things on God's merciful care.

Q: For people who suffer from long-term depression, over the course of their whole lives, how can they integrate it with their spiritual life?

Howe: Depression signifies a person who is restless for peace, joy and the experience of love.

Depression can be viewed as a "trial" which challenges the individual to know themselves, and to lovingly accept themselves and others.

Depression might never be conquered for some people, but it can be laid at the foot of the cross, confident that God will put some good use to it.

Many depressed people are very sensitive and astute in their observations of others; they can have much to offer others in the way of empathy and compassion. Many depressed people are intellectual and analytical, and can use their passion for answers to many good purposes.

In other words, many of the personality characteristics which can lead someone to be vulnerable to depression can be valuable assets to the community and to the spiritual life.

Q: Is it more beneficial then to work to alleviate the suffering of others, or to help them accept their suffering?

Howe: Suffering is a fact of life, and life often holds more than most people care to experience.

The answer to the question is that of course we should work to alleviate suffering as a means to make God's loving presence known to others. Yet, the question of acceptance must go hand in hand.

It is only by accepting the mystery of suffering as a consequence of the human condition that we can trust God, trust one another, and trust in the capacity that good truly will come out of difficult and painful experiences.


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1 posted on 04/06/2006 6:47:22 PM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Whatever the source of the suffering, however, God is the answer.

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2 posted on 04/06/2006 6:48:54 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Psychology has striven to present itself as a science

Psychiatrists and psychologists know enough about the human mind as a witch doctor knows about enzymes.

3 posted on 04/06/2006 6:54:35 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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Self ping, later read


4 posted on 04/06/2006 7:07:15 PM PDT by Crazieman (6-23-2005, Establishment of the United Socialist States of America)
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To: NYer
we come to appreciate that suffering allows us to be linked to Christ in the continuing work of bringing souls to the Father through the action of the Holy Spirit.

Cult of suffering?
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5 posted on 04/06/2006 7:10:53 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: NYer

Pure drivel drives away ordinary drivel.


6 posted on 04/06/2006 7:16:17 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (I am going to be assertive...If that is OK with you.)
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To: NYer
Another Christian View On Cognitive Dysfunction

As a Man Thinketh In His Heart So He Is.

7 posted on 04/06/2006 7:35:13 PM PDT by joesnuffy (This 'Guest Worker Program' Is To Border Security as 'Campaign Finance Reform' Is To Free Speech)
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To: NYer

Excellent and surprising take from a psychologist. Maybe there is hope for these pseudo-sciences. Is there a significant movement in this direction among the psychologists and shrinks, or are we stuck with the Prozac Nation?


8 posted on 04/06/2006 7:42:11 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: joesnuffy
As a Man Thinketh In His Heart So He Is.

I spent my life in sales and as a result read much about psychology and also as an avocation I read a lot about how the mind works, etc. On many occasions I have realized that the Bible covers much of the same subject matter and that a belief in the Bible would eliminate many of the problems psychologists address. At times it was so eerie as to almost be a Divine Comedy.

9 posted on 04/06/2006 8:26:04 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: mugs99

I don't think its a cult of suffering,unless the religion is perverted in that way. Suffering is a fact of life. The Budhsts say that "we should alleviate NEEDLESS suffering."
And Christ said we should try to alleviate each others' suffering and pray for strength through the suffering, which also does not deny ways to alleviate suffering throough science.

Medical advances to treat mental illness and other methods ( ie, relaxation, physical exercise, etc) are gifts from God.


10 posted on 04/06/2006 8:28:20 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie ("You can't eat cheap lettuce when you've been Nuked"--Illegal Aliens..STFU!)
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To: SkyPilot; NYer
"Psychiatrists and psychologists know enough about the human mind as a witch doctor knows about enzymes."

Funny! But sad.

"...and how does that make you feel?"

A spiritual enemy would love that society becomes as secularized as possible. That way, the evil one may camouflage his wicked-induced "misery" (and all such slavery to sin) by calling it "life distress" or some such euphemism similar to "panic attacks".

Of course, "depression" must be heavily medicated to keep the soul numb from the painful reality of being out of Communion with Christ.

Furthermore, the "suffering" a righteous heart may do in charity for those in "misery" (with real world successful results...like fasting and prayer) is omitted from human effort. Such becomes the secular society, that sins of omission outweigh whatever good it might have done.

"words such as suffering which are evocative and instead uses language which is precise and measurable."

Hmmm, how about "Venial" and "Mortal" to describe sin? Denying the existence of the devil and pop-science can deny the existence of sin. Patients fall into a spiritual chaos of being told that it's okay and even healthy to commit abominable acts against our true nature. When such a miserable soul comes to its wits end, it takes a much larger leap of faith to leave the debauchery of sin than if secularized science had never left mortal reason of holding spirituality not only acceptable, but positive for healing experiences. Pride and vanity kill many souls before the disgusted community rejects quackery.

I know that mental disease is very real and quite painful for the individual...SUFFERING...mental anguish, disease, and/or disorders. I know that there are legitimate prescription drugs to cure or balance the patient. What I find consistently disturbing to the soul is the complete denial of defining good and bad behavior and the professional attitudes that encourage both. Is it any wonder that some have completely disregarded the medical profession (especially pharmaceuticals) as a scam of diabolical proportions? That even large budget movies have no problem of selling conspiracy theories of a greed-driven medical drug industry? That we've just experience a real world stock drop for a pharmaceutical company that killed patients with an annoying heart attack side effect?

Faith is cheaper and more effective. It's good to give the legitimate and gifted medical community their due respect. But how many more brownie points and souls do you win for Heaven by accepting Faith and suffering first (even just for a moment) before turning to a doctor? Who knows, your suffering may allow for the opportunity of a miracle to prove that a soul has entered Heaven (for the Vatican beatification process)?

In an end note, I recall the "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" movie where Friar Tuck accepts his humiliation and thanks God for it. I thought it out of character that a Hollywood movie would script such the reality of the Middle Age religious.

Hey, he even has an action figure!


11 posted on 04/06/2006 8:32:46 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Suffering is a fact of life.

Dr. Ann Howe: "The Catholic position is quite different. When the supernatural reality of who man is in relation to God is understood, suffering has to be seen in a supernatural dimension".

I don't see suffering in a supernatural dimension...Do you?
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12 posted on 04/06/2006 8:57:29 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Revolting cat!
"Is there a significant movement in this direction among the psychologists and shrinks, or are we stuck with the Prozac Nation?"

Don't know about a 'movement', but there does seem to be more acceptance of faith as a component of good mental health.

13 posted on 04/06/2006 9:08:40 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: CowboyJay; Revolting cat!

Morita Therapy, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, to name a few of the new approaches. Even though these incorporate concepts of Buddhism, they are complementary to the Catholic faith in that the treatment does not emphasize some humanistic idea of "self actualization" and being happy all the time, but instead of a realistic acceptance. It's not Aquarian-age (new age) stuff which glorifies the self. Instead it gets the patient to have awareness of self and others. DBT was developed by a Catholic woman, Marcia Lenahan, who does not see a problem with using Buddhism as a philosophy to underpine treatment. This DBT has helped the people who were considered impossible by the medical establishment, suicidal, checking in and out of hospitals, etc. Part of it works on not being controlled by one's feelings. Our feelings are NOT the ultimate reality. That is a departure from typical psychotherapy.


14 posted on 04/06/2006 9:44:14 PM PDT by baa39
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To: NYer

Depressing.


15 posted on 04/06/2006 11:32:53 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: NYer
"...life often holds more than most people care to experience."

Ain't that the truth! Good article. If it wasn't for the grace of a caring and loving God, I doubt I would still be around.

16 posted on 04/06/2006 11:46:31 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
belief in the Bible would eliminate many of the problems psychologists address. At times it was so eerie as to almost be a Divine Comedy.

I love the stories in the gospels where Jesus heals someone and then tells him not to tell anyone, and the person runs and tells everyone in his village or town.... It does almost seem comical, like a snapshot of the weakness of human nature.

17 posted on 04/07/2006 12:22:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Got freedom? Thank a veteran.)
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To: SaltyJoe

That was an excellent posting. My wife read it also and enjoyed it.


18 posted on 04/07/2006 3:31:34 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: mugs99

Nope.

We have the gift of excellant anti depressants now which deal with the physiological aspects of clinical depression.
Catholics do not deny the use of appropriate medicine...unlike Tom Cruise.


19 posted on 04/07/2006 5:28:48 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie ("You can't eat cheap lettuce when you've been Nuked"--Illegal Aliens..STFU!)
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To: SkyPilot
Thanks, but I'm a master of plagiarism. Anything of good credit I issue comes from those who've taught me--parents, priests, Catechism, the Pope, the Gospels, and of course, Jesus Christ. I'm just a parrot that can type.
20 posted on 04/07/2006 8:16:06 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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