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No amnesty. Not now. Not ever. Secure the borders. Deport. Bring in legal immigrants who stood in line to get here, have more to contribute, and want to assimilate.

This is the United States...not Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos.

1 posted on 03/31/2006 1:41:17 AM PST by peyton randolph
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To: peyton randolph
The Liberals scream that this is "the worst economy since the Depression," but at the same time call for the Amnesty of the 11+ million illegals in this country because they are doing jobs that America needs (i.e., cutting lawns, etc.)

Can anyone explain the logic of a Liberal?

2 posted on 03/31/2006 2:04:12 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (A Liberal by any other name is still a Hypocrite)
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How ironic. The illegals demand reconquista as the Senate provides more sanctuary. The mind boggles.


3 posted on 03/31/2006 2:06:43 AM PST by Rapscallion (Only a temporary tax is more permanent than a temporary worker.)
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To: peyton randolph

The whole thing makes me sick. Did you see what those little stinkers did with our flag at Montebello HS?


4 posted on 03/31/2006 2:16:57 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("Life is a box of chocolates. Eat them before they eat you ".---me.)
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To: La Enchiladita; goldstategop

*PING*

VDH is the author of "Mexifornia."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594030561/sr=8-1/qid=1143802320/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1207430-5754363?%5Fencoding=UTF8


6 posted on 03/31/2006 2:51:38 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph; ConservativeStLouisGuy; Lunatic Fringe
SPUE (Society for the Prevention of Unnecessary Excerpting; check the list) to the rescue once again:
March 31, 2006

Whose Backlash?

By Victor Davis Hanson

Hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens, along with Mexican-Americans and Hispanics in general, hit the streets throughout the United States this past week in one of the largest displays of public outrage since the Vietnam-War era.

The conventional wisdom was that the supposedly spontaneous outbursts of immigrant pride and anger took lawmakers by surprise. In response, politicians may backtrack on some of the tougher proposals concerning border enforcement, from constructing a wall to deportations. The media tended to emphasize the heartfelt anguish of the demonstrators, who often on selected televised clips carried American flags and were shown reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

But here in Central California that is not the public face of the demonstrations that we saw--which were mostly angry and, in the case of truant high-school students, so often unfortunately characterized by Mexican chauvinism, if not overt racism of the La Raza ("the race") type. And while these public outbursts were for the present just noisy, the private counter-reactions to them, I fear, are going to grow larger and angrier still.

If many thousands of illegal aliens marched in their zeal, many more millions of Americans of all different races and backgrounds watched--and seethed. They were struck by the Orwellian incongruities--Mexican flags, chants of "Mexico, Mexico," and the spectacle of illegal alien residents lecturing citizen hosts on what was permissible in their own country.

If the demonstrators thought that they were bringing attention to their legitimate grievances--the sheer impossibility of deporting 11 million residents across the border or the hypocrisy of Americans de facto profiting from "illegals" who cook their food, make their beds, and cut their lawns--they seemed oblivious to the embarrassing contradictions of their own symbolism and rhetoric. Most Americans I talked to in California summed up their reactions to the marches as something like, 'Why would anyone wave the flag of the country that they would never return to--and yet scream in anger at those with whom they wish to stay?' Depending on the particular questions asked, polls reveal that somewhere around 60-80% of the public is vehemently opposed to illegal immigration.

When schools were dismissed due to student walkouts and traffic disrupted, Americans began to see the wages of their own indifference to the problems of illegal immigration. Insidiously over the last 30 years we have allowed an entire apartheid community to grow up in enclaves in the American Southwest and occasionally beyond--one by language and psyche that may well feel more romantically attached to the Mexico it left and won't return to the United States it sought out and must stay in.

To understand the backlash to all this that is rising, think back to the 2003 California recall election for governor. When it was clear that Gray Davis had lost public support and was finished, for a while it looked as if Democratic Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante might well be a shoo-in. After all, California was a solidly blue state, and the Republican challengers, actor and political novice Arnold Schwarzenegger and the unknown State Senator Tom McClintock, would probably split the minority Republican vote.

But then Bustamante very quickly began to scare the electorate. He was unapologetic about his past MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán) ties, even when that otherwise irrelevant radical student group's mottos and separatist constitution found their way into the public discourse. He tried to redefine his unsavory fund-raising with the Indian gaming industry as a point of ethnic pride, promised driver's licenses for illegal aliens, and then aired seemingly suicidal television ads showing him shouting to Latino crowds in a sea of waving red flags.

At the time I remember a liberal friend of mine from the Bay Area calling up, rather shaken, asking in disbelief, "Who is this guy and why does he always scream to screamers?" Bustamante was subsequently trounced and couldn't receive a third of the vote from a liberal electorate that, he apparently forgot, once passed overwhelmingly ballot propositions banning state aid to illegal aliens, racial preferences in hiring, and bilingual education.

Something of the same backlash may soon follow these demonstrations. There are over 300 million resident Americans, and the vast majority of them are citizens. Had the demonstrators marched chanting "God Bless America," confined their flag waving to Old Glory, and expressed thanks to a magnanimous United States that gave them a second chance when a corrupt Mexico has precluded their first, then they would have won public support.

As for as the immigration debate itself, we all know the truth that we suppress and the lies that we voice. Language has been the first casualty of our disingenuousness. "Illegal alien" is a descriptive, not a racist, term. In contrast, "undocumented worker" is deliberately misleading, since in most cases documents were never at issue, and not all aliens are workers. "Racism" has nothing to do with a failed system that appalls Asian- and African-Americans alike, as well as bewilders frustrated and patient Koreans, Punjabis, Africans, and Filipinos who did not cut ahead in the long legal immigration line. "Nativist" means nothing when Americans presently welcome in more legal immigrants that any other nation on earth.

Yes, illegal immigration provides a valuable source of cheap labor. But such jobs are not just those Americans will never take, but comprise work that they won't seek out at such cheap wages. Where compensation rises, citizen workers will follow.

Yes, most aliens work hard, but a small minority of them do not, and find themselves involved in criminal activity. And given the large pool of illegal immigrants from Mexico, that small minority can still reach several thousands--such as the nearly 15,000 aliens currently locked up in the California penal system alone, at a cost of a half-billion public dollars a year.

Yes, immigrants contribute more than receive--but mostly when they are young, single, and hale. As they age, become ill, marry, and have children, those without education, English, and legality naturally draw on entitlements for a semblance of parity with American citizens otherwise impossible for such minimum wage earners.

So what fails and what works? Bilingual education in our schools, multicultural romance about a mythical Aztlan in our universities, guest worker programs that institutionalize helot status, salad-bowl separatism, and millions who cross the border illegally, all have contributed to the present disaster. But as we see with second- and third-generation model Mexican-American citizens, English immersion, acceptance of an American identity, integration, intermarriage and assimilation, legal and monitored immigration in the thousands from Mexico--all that guarantees immigrants success and energizes us the host.

Americans recoil at the volatile ethnic enclaves in France and the Netherlands--and can understand how such tribalism could quickly escalate to sectarian violence in Iraq, the Balkans, and Rwanda. Unless we curb the present influx, return to the melting pot, and salvage a legal remedy from the present illegal disaster, what we saw this week may only be the beginning of something far more dangerous from both sides of this avoidable crisis.

Victor Davis Hanson is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and the author of Mexifornia. A State of Becoming (Encounter 2003).

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7 posted on 03/31/2006 2:53:40 AM PST by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: peyton randolph
This is the United States...not Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos

Unfortunately, our government will fail us on this issue. We are truly witnessing a process that will rip apart this once great Republic. Unless a leader arises with the strength and courage to lead Congress and the nation to act decisively, we are doomed. Seeing the Mexican flag flying in this country in defiance made my blood boil. It would be easy to deport millions of illegals -- we just need the will. WWII was much more difficult and we arose to the occasion. The idiots who say it is impossible only wish to our Republic die (to their joy)

9 posted on 03/31/2006 3:29:13 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: peyton randolph
- An open border with a turd world country

- A Republican President kissing the butt of a turd world dictator

- A dead asleep congress, completely out of touch with the majority of americans and

- Never having to waste time voting again-priceless...

12 posted on 03/31/2006 4:08:44 AM PST by austinite
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A general observation\prediction: '06 will be remembered as the year the shite hit the fan.


15 posted on 03/31/2006 4:39:36 AM PST by TalBlack (I WON'T suffer the journalizing or editorializing of people who are afraid of the enemies of freedom)
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Why are the Unions staying so quiet on this? I have to wonder if there is not the anticipation that once the illegals are made legal the next push will be to raise that minimum wage again and unionize the newly legal workers.
20 posted on 03/31/2006 5:14:43 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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Some say that Mexico has the right to take back what they see as their country that was lost to war. The Spaniards that came to America were after gold and murdered and destroyed many cities. They destroyed the American Indian culture. Now the Mexicans want to come for our "gold" and destroy our culture. If you really believe that they have a right to the land then you have to believe that the Native Americans have more right to this land than the Spaniards and Mexicans.
21 posted on 03/31/2006 5:32:55 AM PST by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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I've emailed both my senators (hopeless I live in Wi), Frist, and called my congressman that this is a top priority for me and my family, that I will not support the GOP unless they support closing the border, no amnesty. This is the issue I will part ways with the GOP on unless they get with it.


27 posted on 03/31/2006 6:50:06 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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Had the demonstrators marched chanting "God Bless America," confined their flag waving to Old Glory, and expressed thanks to a magnanimous United States that gave them a second chance when a corrupt Mexico has precluded their first, then they would have won public support.

And if this were their real attitude, most of us wouldn't have a problem finding some way to legalize them.

But it isn't their attitude. They think we owe them something.

To quote a much more eloquent man than myself, an illegal immigrant is no more an undocumented immigrant than a rapist is an undocumented boyfriend.
30 posted on 03/31/2006 7:30:53 AM PST by JamesP81
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Unless we curb the present influx, return to the melting pot, and salvage a legal remedy from the present illegal disaster, what we saw this week may only be the beginning of something far more dangerous from both sides of this avoidable crisis.

If we don't do something, it's going to start looking like Israel around here, except instead of hearing 'Allahu Akbar!' before someone blows himsef up it's going to be hearing 'Aztlan libre!'
31 posted on 03/31/2006 7:36:46 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: peyton randolph

We're in wine country and talking to neighbors about steps we can take to push Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein (our Wicked Witches of the West) to defy their liberal instincts and personal investments (wineries, restaurants, etc.)

Taking pictures of: day laborers, of our neighborhood transformation into a barrio, ignoring day-to-day laws, etc., - parking in front of fire hydrants for ex.

We're calling the zoning commission and asking if we're zoned for boarding houses or inns. When they say no, we're letting them know that homes around here, sold to families, are housing 12 and more adult males with the families.

We're going to send copies of the letters and enclosures to the Congressmen on the right side of the issue as well.

Small but important steps.


35 posted on 03/31/2006 9:29:02 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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"But such jobs are not just those Americans will never take, but comprise work that they won't seek out at such cheap wages".

I used to work for U.S. Steel at the Clairton Works. It was the second larges coke producing plant in the world at the time.

There were many jobs there that were foul and unpleasing beyond description. Coke ovens so hot that you had to wear protective clothing and wooden soles on your shoes three inches high to keep from getting burned.

Blast furnace jobs, rolling mill jobs...

They were all tough work but THEY ALL PAID GOOD MONEY! A person could buy a decent home and raise a family on the money.

But if the money wasn't good enough, people wouldn't have worked there.

Americans will do ANY job if the money is good enough.

The jobs Americans don't want to do are low paying jobs that don't pay the bills.

Make all the jobs low paying enough and there will be no Americans working and all the jobs will be taken by illegal aliens.

And the middle class of working people in this country will be destroyed.

Which is exactly what the politicians in this country seem to want.

If I can figure this out, if anyone foolish enough to believe that our politicians can't figure it out?
38 posted on 03/31/2006 9:43:41 AM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: peyton randolph
I've said this before and I will say it again, those waving Mexican flags and chanting they want their land back do not seek to assimilate, ever.

If Congress gives amnesty to these invaders who do not recognize our laws or our sovereignty, then it is only a matter of time before they gain enough votes in some of our states to demand the right to secede from the union which the Government won't allow.

If and when they are rejected the situation will grow violent and civil war will erupt between us and millions of illegals who were granted citizenship.

At that time the real Americans (those who came here legally and assimilated into our society) will revolt bringing both the Democratic and Republican party to its knees for failing to uphold our laws and allow this to happen. Yes, I do believe even some Democrats (not all) will join the revolt.
42 posted on 03/31/2006 9:51:35 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (El Chupacabra spotted near U.S./Mexican border feeding on illegal immigrants. Pass it on..)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

ping


48 posted on 03/31/2006 10:28:52 AM PST by raybbr
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Where compensation rises, citizen workers will follow.

Sounds like a call to raise the minimum wage by about $5.00/hour.

49 posted on 03/31/2006 12:52:06 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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No amnesty. Not now. Not ever. Secure the borders. Deport. Bring in legal immigrants who stood in line to get here, have more to contribute, and want to assimilate.

I agree.


50 posted on 03/31/2006 12:53:05 PM PST by samcgwire (samcgwire was not here today)
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Cheap labor only to the employer but we the tax payer have to pick up the difference for health care, welfare, insurance costs, etc., etc., to the tune of $billions. All aided and abetted by our elected public "servants".


62 posted on 03/31/2006 5:01:50 PM PST by Mogollon
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