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Now the debate on illegals can begin
Jewish World Review ^ | March 29, 2006 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 03/29/2006 4:55:49 AM PST by SJackson

Now that the Senate Judiciary Committee has passed its own version of immigration reform — a bipartisan effort that won support from four Republicans and all eight Democrats on the panel — a real national debate on this important issue can begin. Last December, the GOP-controlled House passed punitive legislation that would criminalize the 12 million illegal aliens, along with anyone else who provides them with shelter, medical or other services. Both bills also promise beefed-up border security. The House version seems more likely to generate popular support among American citizens, but it is a shortsighted measure, which, if it becomes law, won't solve the current crisis.

Our immigration mess is like a three-legged stool. Fixing one leg is no better than doing nothing. We need immigration reform that addresses all three parts of this vexing problem: increased border security; a plan to deal with the illegal aliens already here (the vast majority of whom are hard-working, tax-paying and otherwise law-abiding members of our communities); and more flexible and realistic legal immigration policies that allow us to admit more permanent residents and guest workers as our labor needs require.

I know this approach drives the anti-immigrant crowd crazy — but they are a small though noisy fraction of the public concerned with immigration. Unfortunately, these voices are driving the current debate, especially on conservative talk radio and cable news shows. I wonder how many conservatives who embrace the anti-immigrant message know that their fellow travelers' roots are in the pro-abortion, population-control movement.

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Someone should explain to Linda that concentrating on the nature of the conservative anti-immigrant crowd rather than issues may not succeed in bringing pressure to bear on House Republicans.
1 posted on 03/29/2006 4:55:51 AM PST by SJackson
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NOT!!!!! NONE of the above.


2 posted on 03/29/2006 4:57:43 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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"a bipartisan effort that won support from four Republicans and all eight Democrats on the panel"

"passed punitive legislation "

Gee, Linda injected her bias into the debate in the very first paragraph. Senate noble and bipartisan. House mean-spirited and punitive.

3 posted on 03/29/2006 4:58:26 AM PST by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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but they are a small though noisy fraction of the public concerned with immigration.

That's the biggest joke yet, if Linda would bother to read the polling on this.

4 posted on 03/29/2006 4:58:54 AM PST by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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Ahhh a Linda Chavez making these remarks on Jewish Review.
CHAVEZ no wonder she said what she did, it figures. Another mexican flag waver.


5 posted on 03/29/2006 4:59:32 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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Funny. Someone told me Linda Chavez' radio program was canceled and replaced by a Spanish language broadcast...


6 posted on 03/29/2006 5:00:41 AM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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but they are a small though noisy fraction of the public concerned with immigration.

Where do they get these ideas?

Is the fog really that thick that they can't see past the Potomac?

7 posted on 03/29/2006 5:02:12 AM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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Statement: "Now the debate on illegals can begin"

Response: This is the 'problem;' debate, discussion and the expression of different points of view.

8 posted on 03/29/2006 5:03:36 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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(the vast majority of whom are hard-working, tax-paying and otherwise law-abiding members of our communities)

This woman is out of her mind. Law-abiding? No, Linda, they are lawbreakers by the fact that they are here illegally.

9 posted on 03/29/2006 5:04:41 AM PST by itsinthebag (E)
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Someone should explain to Linda that concentrating on the nature of the conservative anti-immigrant crowd rather than issues may not succeed in bringing pressure to bear on House Republicans

Huh I guess that the truth that the anti-immigrantion side is also pro- abortion, population control movement hurts to you.

10 posted on 03/29/2006 5:06:15 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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Illegal drug use is still rampant in this country after many years of fighting it. It's time we took stock of the situation and realize that the vast majority of drug abusers are productive, hard-working citizens. We should come to terms with the situaion.

If illicit drug dealers would admit their complicity and pay fine and promise to stop, we could then clamp down on any new drug dealers who might crop up in the future. What is important is that we would have a registry of users and dealers which would help in identifying the new and predatory drug dealers who might appear to break our laws in the future.

11 posted on 03/29/2006 5:08:07 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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She ought to leave DC and move somewhere in so CA, Arizona, etc. A place where the illegals seem to outnumber citizens, where accidents regularly involve illegals and where, if you go hiking, you can run into parties headed north.

Maybe then she wouldn't be so stupid.


12 posted on 03/29/2006 5:08:40 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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The debate can begin when they are kicked out and the wall built.

And if you think that I am a 'small fraction,' then you have a surprise coming very soon.


13 posted on 03/29/2006 5:09:07 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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Huh I guess that the truth that the anti-immigrantion side is also pro- abortion, population control movement hurts to you.

1-It's not relevant to the issue.

2-anti-illegal immigration doesn't equate to anti-immigration.

14 posted on 03/29/2006 5:09:42 AM PST by SJackson ([Iraq] Reconstruction isn’t news is it? Chris Matthews)
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Ahhh a Linda Chavez making these remarks on Jewish Review...CHAVEZ no wonder she said what she did, it figures. Another mexican flag waver.

Jews, Mexicans, what can you do!

And to think the neocon Bush once considered giving her a job.

15 posted on 03/29/2006 5:11:02 AM PST by SJackson ([Iraq] Reconstruction isn’t news is it? Chris Matthews)
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I was looking at the House plan in today's WSJ and saw it will require within six years businesses to tap into a national database of SS numbers before hiring.

Imagine if Clinton or Tom Foley had proposed that plan.

What I fear is that emotion-based reaction to illegal immigration (and those demonstrations in L.A.) will cause an unnecessary loss of freedom for the rest us.

I think the House plan will end up being Sarbanes Oxley for the private citizen.

16 posted on 03/29/2006 5:13:33 AM PST by Tribune7
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JWR is a little late to the party. The debate is over. The illegals have won. A new class of voters is being created by our elected officials that is designed to replace the uncomfortable Christian/Conservative majorty that has slowly grown up since 1964. Not only will a whole new and very large group be transformed into votes for welfare and socialism but a loud public invitation is being made to all in Latin America to join the New American Order. I am sure the flood has already begun in earnest as Latin-Americans all receive the news that they are so welcome in the land of milk and honey where they can live like kings, at least until they succeed in converting it to the corrupt, poverty stricken, oligarchic system they have left.


17 posted on 03/29/2006 5:14:07 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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1-It's not relevant to the issue

Really? Then using your logic Planned Parenthood isn't relevant to the abortion debate.

18 posted on 03/29/2006 5:16:27 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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Huh I guess that the truth that the anti-immigrantion side is also pro- abortion

Dane, that is a bald-faced lie, even by your limited standards of truthfulness. First of all, it's anti-ILLEGAL-immigration - you tried the standard trick of dropping "illegal" to change the debate.

And second, most of the folks I see on FR who are anti-illegal immigration are also pro-life. So you can stuff that slanderous lie, Dane. There might be a few folks on our side who are pro-abort. But they are a distinct minority.

But given the number of pro-illegal Dems, I'd say you have a much more severe infestion of pro-aborts on your side of this issue.

19 posted on 03/29/2006 5:16:50 AM PST by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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We need immigration reform that addresses all three parts of this vexing problem: increased border security; a plan to deal with the illegal aliens already here (the vast majority of whom are hard-working, tax-paying and otherwise law-abiding members of our communities); and more flexible and realistic legal immigration policies that allow us to admit more permanent residents and guest workers as our labor needs require.

Just out of curiousity, what taxpayer ID does an illegal alien use to pay taxes?

20 posted on 03/29/2006 5:17:11 AM PST by ErieGeno
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