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Guests Or Gate Crashers Part II (Thomas Sowell Continues His Illegal Immigration Debate Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 03/29/06 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 03/28/2006 10:31:33 PM PST by goldstategop

Bogus arguments are a tip-off that you wouldn't buy the real reasons for what someone is doing. Phony arguments and phony words are the norm in discussions of immigration policy.

It starts with a refusal to call illegal aliens "illegal aliens" and ends with asking for "guest worker" status for people who are not guests but gate crashers. As for the substantive arguments, they are as phony as the verbal evasions.

What about all those illegal workers that we "need"? Many of the illegals are working in agriculture, producing crops that have been in chronic surplus for decades. These surplus crops are costing the American taxpayers billions of dollars in government storage costs and in the inflated prices created by deliberately keeping much of this agricultural output off the market.

Do we "need" illegal workers to produce bigger surpluses?

In California, surplus crops grown and harvested by illegal immigrants are often also subsidized by federal water projects which charge the farmers in dry California valleys far less than the cost to the government of providing that water -- and a fraction of what people in Los Angeles or San Francisco pay for the same amount of water.

Surplus crops grown with water supplied at the taxpayers' expense and raised by illegal workers can be grown elsewhere with water provided free of charge from the clouds and raised by American workers paid American wages.

Naturally, when the real costs of those crops have to be paid by the farmers who raise them, less will be grown -- that is, there will not be as much of a surplus going to waste in government-rented storage bins.

With some crops, we don't really "need" any of it. If the United States had not produced a single grain of sugar in the past 50 years, Americans could have gotten all the sugar they wanted and at lower prices, simply by buying it on the world market for half or less of what domestic sugar costs.

Sugar has been in chronic surplus on the world market for generations. It can be grown in the tropics far cheaper than it can be grown in the United States. All the land, labor, and capital that has been spent growing sugar here has been one huge waste.

We don't "need" to grow sugar, with or without illegal workers.

Many people are understandably sympathetic toward Mexican workers who come across the border illegally, not only because of the poverty which drives them from their homelands but also because their willingness to work makes them in demand.

When you see beggars on the street, they are usually white or black, but almost never Mexican. But American immigration laws and policies are not about whether you like or don't like Mexicans, though some demagogues try to play the race card.

For too long, we have bought the argument that being unfortunate entitles you to break the law. The consequence has been disastrous, whether the people allowed to get away with breaking the law are Americans or foreigners.

Legalizing illegal actions is the easy way out, so it is hardly surprising that politicians go for that.

One of the ways of legalizing illegal acts is by the automatic conferring of American citizenship on babies born to illegal aliens in the United States.

The law that made all people born here American citizens made sense when people crossed an ocean and made a commitment to become Americans.

Today, it is just another way of essentially legalizing illegal acts by making it harder to deport those who broke the law.

One of the most bogus of all the bogus arguments for a "guest worker" program is that it is impossible to find all the millions of illegal aliens in the country, so it is impossible to deport them.

If tomorrow someone came up with some brilliant way to identify every illegal alien in the country, it would not make the slightest difference. Right now, those who are identified as illegal, whether at the border, in prisons, at traffic stops or in any of our institutions, face no penalty whatsoever.

Identification is not the problem. Doing nothing is the problem.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; War on Terror
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What's our greatest problem in confronting illegal immigration? Its not the inability to identify illegal aliens in our midst. Its our doing nothing since we've decided the price is too high to bother protecting our country. Keep that in mind as you hear the phony arguments and phony words surrounding our illegal immigration debate.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

1 posted on 03/28/2006 10:31:39 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Thank you for NOT excerpting this article.
2 posted on 03/28/2006 10:35:57 PM PST by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Dr. Sowell *PING*


3 posted on 03/28/2006 10:37:42 PM PST by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: goldstategop

phony argument: Protests and theses struggles are similar to the civil rights for African Americans. But, one must consider African Americans protesters lobbied the government to enforce lows, while these new phony civil rights protesters are lobbying for the eradication of laws.

Furthermore, if main purpose of the illegal immigrant lobbyists are to secure a better way of life, why haven't we seen a 1/4 million march in downtown Mexico city recently?


4 posted on 03/28/2006 10:43:08 PM PST by seastay
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To: goldstategop
The law that made all people born here American citizens made sense when people crossed an ocean and made a commitment to become Americans.

Sowell is on to something here. The problem with Mexicans(and other Central and South American countries) is that they never really assimilate if they are constantly reinforcing their flawed culture and ideas. There are currently illegal aliens here in the U.S. that have been here over 20 years and still cannot speak or read English.

5 posted on 03/28/2006 10:44:21 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: goldstategop
Identification is not the problem. Doing nothing is the problem.

I don't ever remember disagreeing with Thomas on anything. However, this last statement could be wrong. Let's wait until we see what the politicians enact. It just may be worse than doing nothing.

6 posted on 03/28/2006 10:45:44 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: goldstategop
More common sense from the inestimable Dr. Sowell.

Thanks for posting all of it.

L

7 posted on 03/28/2006 10:45:47 PM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everyone else shows me their hands.)
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To: balrog666; beyond the sea; brf1; Capriole; CarolinaGOP; caryatid; ClaireSolt; clockwise; cpdiii; ...
Thomas Sowell *PING*

FRmail me if you want on or off the Thomas Sowell Ping List.

8 posted on 03/28/2006 10:48:06 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: goldstategop

Two other bogus arguments are [1] that 'go to the end of the line' is just feeding us a line, a load of crap. The end of the line puts them back in their originating country, and we know the politicians won't send them there. Under the Senate Judiciary bill, illegals get better treatment than visa holders. Overstay a visa by one day, and that means deportation (assuming it is enforced).

It is like [2] that 'jobs Americans won't do', which is another load of crap. The argument might work IF no Americans are currently employed in those functions. The argument fails because there ARE Americans who work in the fields, who pick lettuce, who clean toilets at Holiday Inn, who sweep up office buildings, etc. Every day there are Americans doing those jobs. It is an insult to imply that they don't. It is elitist to assume they don't.


9 posted on 03/28/2006 10:50:55 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: goldstategop
Dr. Sowell hits the nail on the head yet again. It's a pity our elected officials don't have even half the common sense he does.

Thanks for the post.
10 posted on 03/28/2006 11:04:43 PM PST by jazusamo (Excuse me Helen, I'm answering your first accusation. - President Bush)
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To: goldstategop

Thomas Sowell has more sense in his little finger than all the politicians in DC, once again.


11 posted on 03/28/2006 11:06:10 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: goldstategop
"For too long, we have bought the argument that being unfortunate entitles you to break the law. The consequence has been disastrous, whether the people allowed to get away with breaking the law are Americans or foreigners."

bump

12 posted on 03/28/2006 11:08:11 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: goldstategop

BUMP!

http://www.usbordersecurity.org


13 posted on 03/28/2006 11:08:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance (20 million+ illegal aliens here now...a billion more coming behind them...be very afraid!)
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To: goldstategop

ping


14 posted on 03/28/2006 11:54:04 PM PST by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: goldstategop
"Bogus arguments are a tip-off that you wouldn't buy the real reasons for what someone is doing."

Hey! That's a great observation and a great quote!

15 posted on 03/29/2006 1:39:05 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Bogus arguments are a tip-off that you wouldn't buy the real reason..." ~Thomas Sowell)
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To: goldstategop
I gather it's illegal to do so, but I don't see anything immoral about sitting on the border with a varmit rifle and shooting any invader who illegally crosses the line.

As to the economic argument that we need these invaders, we took a big hit on 9-11-01 and survived. My guess is that we'd survive just fine if we ran the invaders out of the country for good. Besides, our current national policy of encouraging almost everyone to go to college needs to stop: offices throughout the country are stuffed to the gills with degreed dolts who have no business making business decisions and who would be better off picking vegetables and fruit.

16 posted on 03/29/2006 1:48:25 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Manifest Destiny, Chapter 2: Move our southern border further south.)
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To: I got the rope

"Sowell is on to something here."

He's onto a lot of somethings. Unneeded surplus crops, free water to farmers paid for by taxpayers, and "illegal aliens" subsidized by taxpayers.


17 posted on 03/29/2006 2:37:47 AM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: goldstategop
Sowell Man ............ ping.

Dr. Sowell is the greatest.

18 posted on 03/29/2006 3:59:48 AM PST by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune - ........ 1862)
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To: clyde asbury; NCSteve

Dr. Sowell - government created the immigrant problem, *of course*.


19 posted on 03/29/2006 4:10:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (Baby milk factory and all night laundry -- please tip your server!)
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To: goldstategop
Guests or Gate Crashers [Part I]
20 posted on 03/29/2006 4:23:12 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS))
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