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Iraq is now in 'a terrible civil war', admits Allawi
telegraph ^ | 20/03/2006 | By Oliver Poole in Basra

Posted on 03/19/2006 6:51:10 PM PST by Flavius

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1 posted on 03/19/2006 6:51:13 PM PST by Flavius
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Got to hand it to Allawi, he has really learned the Democrat talking points pretty good.
2 posted on 03/19/2006 6:54:29 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: Flavius
Allawi is a defeated and bitter man. If they elect him Prime minister of Iraq, he will not just retreat the wrong statement he made about Iraq being in terrible civil war but he will paint the rosiest of all pictures about the future of Iraq.

PS: Allawi was crushed in the last elections.

3 posted on 03/19/2006 6:56:11 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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many academic models identify a civil war as an intra-state conflict with 1,000 dead

Even the French could handle that with a brigade.

4 posted on 03/19/2006 6:58:34 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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Is the death rate in American cities due to murders larger than Iraq? I believe it is. We also kill about 500 people on the highway every weekend.



















5 posted on 03/19/2006 6:59:20 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: jveritas

Lets face it. He is what is known as a politician.


6 posted on 03/19/2006 6:59:20 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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For Iraq to be in a civil war it would have to be solely Iraqi vs Iraqi. This is far from reality. The majority of the insurgents are from outside Iraq's borders. In my military mind that is not a civil war but just a plain war.


7 posted on 03/19/2006 6:59:35 PM PST by stm (You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
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Think John Kerry and what he has been doing since he got beaten by President Bush.

Allawi got his butt kicked by Talibani in the last Iraqi election. It wasn't close.

This is just bitterness and every indication (MSM notwithstanding) shows that Iraq is NOT in a Civil War.


8 posted on 03/19/2006 7:00:11 PM PST by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is.

He needs to read a little American History and focus on Lincoln. Democracy is not easy - but it's worth it.

9 posted on 03/19/2006 7:01:43 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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"And even Europe and the United States would not be spared all the violence that may occur as a result of sectarian problems in this region."

OTOH, if Sunnis and Shia demand a sectarian war, by all means let them have it. Let's just be sure to line up the most fanatic of each on the front lines.

10 posted on 03/19/2006 7:02:27 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (The Prophet Muhammed, Piss Be Upon Him)
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that is not a civil war but just a plain war

Apparently that is a large part of it. Foreigners are keeping it going, without them it wouldn't be a fraction of what it is.

11 posted on 03/19/2006 7:03:08 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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I consider all this talk of a civil war as a sign they believe the "insurgency" is defeated,


12 posted on 03/19/2006 7:03:25 PM PST by the Real fifi
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I think civil war in Iraq depends upon your definition. Why wouldn't you consider one faction of Iraqis blowing up members of another faction on a regular basis a civil war?

Fact is, Iraqis are the most frequent victims of the insurgency.


13 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:02 PM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: Flavius

Sounds like somebody had a chip on their shoulder.


14 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:11 PM PST by jennyjenny
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"We are losing each day an average of 50 to 60 people throughout the country, if not more,"

Try living in the U.S., if you think thats bad.

15 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:16 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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I think civil war in Iraq depends upon your definition. Why wouldn't you consider one faction of Iraqis blowing up members of another faction on a regular basis a civil war?

Fact is, Iraqis are the most frequent victims of the insurgency at the hands of other Iraqis and their foreign allies.


16 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:35 PM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: jveritas

I think civil war in Iraq depends upon your definition. Why wouldn't you consider one faction of Iraqis blowing up members of another faction on a regular basis a civil war?


17 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:47 PM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: RightWhale

This has been a tactic of theirs from the start. They know they cannot defeat the US. But now they are trying to sow the seeds of dissidence from within.


18 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:48 PM PST by stm (You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
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Personally I think it's an attempt to pressure the US into giving Allawi something he wants. Support for his political ambition perhaps?

The man has been a scumbag all along. Unfortunately he's been a scumbag we needed.


19 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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AQ isn't manned by Iraqis....

It's manned by OTHERS, outsiders, non-Iraqis, whatever you want to call it....


20 posted on 03/19/2006 7:05:01 PM PST by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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